I want a super neo con to explain to me point by point why a UHC system like britian or Frances ' is a nono?
just want a well rounded look at it
So whos watched Sicko?
I want a super neo con to explain to me point by point why a UHC system like britian or Frances ' is a nono?
just want a well rounded look at it
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
Not a neocon but...
UK Population Density: 246 per Km2
US Population Density: 31 per Km2
French Population Density: 115 per Km2 (including French Gueina)
Cuba Population Density: 102 per Km2
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
do that again but do it a little clearer. What is UHC?
Re: So whos watched Sicko?
and i mean super neo con
neo con like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wroj0FLvzs
*contains obama bashing-ye be warned
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UHC is the technical term used by intelectuals to abrevieate UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
Not a neocon but...
UK Population Density: 246 per Km2
US Population Density: 31 per Km2
French Population Density: 115 per Km2 (including French Gueina)
Cuba Population Density: 102 per Km2
This explains it...
In the US the population is too spread out for their to be effective nationally administrated health care.
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
Originally Posted by Farnan
Canada: 3.2/km2
Anyway, Sicko is a stupid video. It's almost like communisim. Sure, it can look great to an uneducated outsider, but free healthcare doesn't make the country a magical utopia where no one dies.
I like our healthcare, but it is not the best thing ever conceived.
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
BUT, the very largest majority of the population lives within an hour or so of a major metropolitan area. I have no idea of the exact number, but I would guess 90% of the population would be within that distance.
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
It's usually a vague rant about socialism. Farnan's argument can be rejected as Australia has universal healthcare alongside a private system. Canada has universal health care. Both have lower population density than the USA. Norway and New Zealand too.
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
Canada does it through a universal insurance type program, like would be possible in the US.
Australia's population only has a low population density if you take in account the uninhabitable land.
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
And what about New Zealand?
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
I'm sick as hell currently, and have had no health insurance for bout a year and a half now.
I don't see any problems with Canada, that place looks rather damn nice. I wouldn't say we should adopt EU or UK healthcare due to size, but Canada always made sense to me.
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
Ferrets: Its about 1/37th the size of the US...
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
So is GB?:hmmm:
Sicko is a lot of Left Wing fanaticism to be sure, although I thought it touched on some good points.
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
The UK does have private insurance still as well, we have BUPA.
Anyway, the thought of a corperation having to make a profit out of sick people just turns my stomach. Why would capitalist ideals fit at all into keeping people healthy? Health provides long term social and economic benefits. Medicare need to always chase the next Quartre profits
Denmark, Sweden and Norway have really top quality healthcare and they are the most socialist contries I know of.
P.S. America is a land of Urban sprawl. Whats the population density in California? Got to be huge. Little town USA has to be what 10%? 20% of the population at a guess?
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
So what, it's now the size of a state that determines whether or not it can have universal healthcare? That brings us back to Canada and Australia.
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
Its a combination of the factors of size and population density.
As I said the Canadian plan will work in the US. In that plan the government pays private health care services to treat Canadians.
Australia is at a point where the area where there are people are tiny and concentrated, while the US its more spread out thus requiring more clinics and hospitals and special equipment for each.
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
Population density/size is an utter white elephant. There's only one thing keeping Americans from having universal healthcare and it's that the majority of Americans don't want it. Whether this is from misinformation or greed, that's the ultimate fact of the matter.
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
No it isn't...
You need clinics for people within a certain radius, and a certain number of hospitals per so many people, correct?
In a large country with a spread out population means more clinics working less people, and more hospitals since they need to be within life flight range. Now this is not a disastrous thing, however centrally run its a mess as someone in DC has no idea what is needed in BumWyoming and Congressmen, eager to bring home the bacon get hospitals built where they aren't needed.
However, a system where we keep the existing health care infrastructure and instead pay a universal insurance plan will enable the hospitals to remain decentralized and still provide a system where everyone can receive health care (like in Canada).
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
Wait, so there's existing infrastructure to care for the USA's population, but hypothetical universal health care infrastructure is an impossibility?No it isn't...
You need clinics for people within a certain radius, and a certain number of hospitals per so many people, correct?
In a large country with a spread out population means more clinics working less people, and more hospitals since they need to be within life flight range. Now this is not a disastrous thing, however centrally run its a mess as someone in DC has no idea what is needed in Bum
However, a system where we keep the existing health care infrastructure and instead pay a universal insurance plan will enable the hospitals to remain decentralized and still provide a system where everyone can receive health care (like in Canada).
Are you suggesting private healthcare has a monopoly on flying clinics or something?
(I do however view paying for the use of private healthcare a perfectly acceptable solution, so long as the money is actually delivered where needed).
The result of this, however, is that French doctors prescribe drugs for anything whereas British doctors quite rightly tell people to take two days off work and go to bed.
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Re: So whos watched Sicko?
These clinics are ran by one or two doctors and a few support people. When a doctor leaves or retires it doesn't mean he will be replaced unless their is a demand for a doctor. And whether a new doctor is necessary is not always apparent from a DC map, as some regions the level of transportation, climate and median age means a hospital, even one close by, may be unaccessable to many. However in order cases it was just long-time customers that kept the clinic alive due to a personal relation with the doctor and his leaving makes the clinic unnecessary.
We can just provide it as an insurance policy for people that choose to take it. They fill out paperwork when they go to the doctor and then the doctor sends it in to the regional center as they would regular insurance.(I do however view paying for the use of private healthcare a perfectly acceptable solution, so long as the money is actually delivered where needed).
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