SGfNP-->Merchants and resources. Update: 13 feb. 09

[Kjertesvein]

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I allways have my own personal resources I send my merchent to. This is also related that I play in the same region, most of the time. So, can you name your most attractive resources for your factions:

1. Region name:
2. Resources:

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I also noticed that silver produce more then gold etc. Normal? What is the top 5 best resources?


Try not to duplicate resources, and Thank you!

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(Update 13 feb. 09 + credit.)

Great post from all. specially TWmadman, musicdemon and Joh. I think you're getting a section in the in SGfNP-thread.



I still miss all the resources east of the baltics and -germany, north from Kiev. You know the area. Also from moors to ayyubid. Aswell as Iberia.


Top 5 resources:

1. Silver
2. Sugar
3. Gold/Spices/Salt
4. Sulphur
5. ...?

Merchant:

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As far as I know, there are several factors that define how much your merchants make out of a resource. Here are some of them:

• Initial value of the resource (ivory is more valuable than timber)
• Distance of the closet resource of that type to your capital (not the specific resource location your merchant sits on, but the closest of that resource type to your capital). So if you are England, with your capital in London with, let's say timber resource close by, you will get little cash dealing with timber even if your merchant is on the other edge of the map.
• Level of your trade structures, the higher the merrier. This will help your merchants receive better traits from the start.
• Level of your merchants, which can be gained training them in a province with two equal resources as long as no merchant from other faction is exploiting the other one. As a plus, you will get double the revenue from the resource. If you manage to get two merchants on both resources, then you get x4 the cash plus training for both merchants. There are 3???? train levels, and you want to get to the monopolistic trait* (+3). As already mentioned, setting other merchants out of business gives you +1. In some cases, resisting a take over from other merchants will also give you a +1.
• Province relation to your Kingdom. Your provinces produce the most, then allies, then neutral and finally enemies.

~Joh

Monopole*:

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you could put both merchants in two silver monopole they ll get the monopolist trait, lvl 10 merchant on a silver monopole own 2600$ average per turn, so 5000$ per turn with two merchants on silver monopole like frankfurt.
If you put one of your merchant on one of them and if another merchant's faction is working on the other one, you'll never get the monopole.
The best is to put your uber merchant in one of the two silver spot, then to put your noob merchant on the other one. This one your uber merchant will kick other merchants while the noob is getting exp. after 10 turns, you ll get two Madoff playing wall street.
~TWmadman

Train your guys in your own provinces so they can get the market controller or monopolizer traits, then send em off to distant lands with resources you DO NOT HAVE.
~dacrazymofo

Attractive resources:

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1. Region name: Østlandet, southern Norway.
2. Resources: 1 Marble

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1. Region name: Frankfurt, Germany
2. Resources:2 Silver

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1. Region name: Buda, Hungary
2. Resources:2 Silver

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1. Region name: Zaghreb
2. Resources:2 Salt

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1. Region name: Milan, Milan
2. Resources: 2 textile, trade port

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1. Region name: Iconium, Turcey
2. Resources: 2 Marble

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1. Region name: Cork, Irland
2. Resources: 1(2?)Fur

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1. Region name: Constantinople
2. Resources: 2 wine

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1. Region name: Trebizondi
2. Resources: Silver

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1. Region name: Paris, France
2. Resources: Glass

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Merchant Guild:

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I discovered DarkKnight's "A Guide for Guilds" last night and have found it extremely useful. It even goes over how many points you will get with a guild for hiring a certain unit. It also has info about the triggers that cause you to gain or lose points with a guild. It's insanely comprehensive, and I highly recommend it! Here's the link:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77577

EDIT - Here are some general tips from the guide that pertain to the Mechants Guild:

1) You get 10 points in each city for the Merchants Guild when you make a successful acquisition
2) Getting trade rights with other factions also gives a universal 10 point bonus in each city
3) Buildings related to the guild always give you points when you build them (Market, Fairground, etc.)
4) Your Faction's Income also gets you points every turn. If it's over 10,000, you'll get 4 points per turn
5) Acquisition and Trade Rights missions are two-edged swords. If you complete them, you'll get points. If you fail them, you lose the same amount of points.
~musicdemon

Credit:

TWmadman
Berendz
Xtiaan72
Ivanhoex
hotcobbler
Joh
dacrazymofo
musicdemon

Deus Lo Vult!

[TWmadman]

Silver
Sugar
Gold/Spices/Salt
Sulphur

the most important is to get a monopole
for exemple, near frankfurt and near Buda/Pest there is a silver monopole (2 same ressource in one region) you have to put a merchant in one of them to get a bonus which double the normal benefice + watch out that none of ennemies merchant is trying to take the second spot, for sure you could put 2 merchants to secure the area and get money from the two spots of silver in frankfurt for exemple. don't forget to get trade with faction which owns ressources to maximize the profit.
you can find spices monopole in Venice region or salt monopole in zaghreb regions for exemple.

when your merchants get the traits "monopolist" you know you are going to have good days.

atm i have 2 merchants on silver monopole in frankfurt +2 on silver monopole in Buda + 2 on salt monopole in zaghreb + 2 on spices monopole in Venice and i own average 16 000 $ per turn

[Xtiaan72]

Cork, Ireland
Fur

Ireland is fur heaven....Nice Silver mine in Dublin as well....Weird graphic querk, One fur resource is on top of Lumber resource in Ireland. I think Cork is intended as a 'monopoly' region but I don't think it's working properly


TWmadman.......Great tip....Are you more likely to pick up "monopolist" with One Merchant in "Double" resource regions? In other words..If you put a merchant on both of the tiles does that trait "not happen"?


Great idea Blackleaf.... We can create some really useful glossaries for the guide with threads like this...With everybody getting their two cents in...

[Barendz]

Iconium, Turkey

2 marble resources

Im curious about the double merchant thing too. Ive had both resourcess covered with a merchant all the time because they both make 1500 fl per turn and have the monopolist trait.

[Agis Tournas]

Just a question about resources:
Why are there some double entries in the descr_strat.txt?
See the copy from the specific file [example from line 118 - line 126]:

resource        furs,    454,    199 
resource        silver,    405,    180 
resource        silver,    7,    209
resource        silver,    7,    209
resource        silver,    7,    209
resource        silver,    7,    209
resource        silver,    7,    209
;resource        silver,    5,    232 
resource        silver,    154,    290

Do they add to the value of the resource - is the income increased that way?

[TWmadman]

you could put both merchants in two silver monopole they ll get the monopolist trait, lvl 10 merchant on a silver monopole own 2600$ average per turn, so 5000$ per turn with two merchants on silver monopole like frankfurt

you could find many monopoles, textiles, glass spices and marble only in north italy. After, benefit depends on the type of ressource.

for exemple, there are 2 spots of spicies in venice region, if you put one of your merchant on one of them and if another merchant's faction is working on the other one, you'll never get the monopole. the monopole bonus is different from the trait, the trait is a result of that monopole which gives +4 finance. before the monopole trait you'll get "market controller". So watch out other merchants, the best is to put your uber merchant in one of the two silver spot, then to put your noob merchant on the other one. This one your uber merchant will kick other merchants while the noob is getting exp. after 10 turns, you ll get two Madoff playing wall street


TRY THIS GUIDE

http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/dos...e/931592/50116

[Xtiaan72]

That really drives home how important Merchant Income is in DLV... Once Dark Ages happen, for some factions if you haven't set up your merchants properly...you are just done...Forget about it

[ivanhoex]

wine from constantinople. large amount of money at least playing kiev.

its monopolistic too. and you can jump to iconium riches and trebizond silver without too much hassle. you also have silk in constantinople that is not that bad either, and two lesser winerys close by

its wine or dye.. i always end up mixing them in my head..

yeah i think its wine... anyway, 2 of them in constantinople, violet. cant miss.

[Kjertesvein]

(Updated the above in the first post + credit.)

Great post from all above. specially TWmadman, think you getting a section in the in SGfNP-thread.

I still miss all the resources east of the baltics and -germany, north from Kiev. You know the area. Also from moors to ayyubid. Aswell as Iberia.

Deus Lo Vult!

[hotcobbler]

Playing as Ireland, I go for the mines in the north eastern half of the island early game, then mines in England near London and York.

After that, vineyards (wine) near Rennes and Angers are close, as is the cloth and dye in Flanders. The best nearby I can find is glass next to Paris.

[PrivateJoh]

Some extra tips can be found in this post (mine of course ), but the thread deals also with merchants.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...72#post3978772

[Xtiaan72]

Awesome post Jon! Nice link with great tips from Musicdemon as well....

+ rep!

Blackleaf,

I love how you are organizing the thread! It's giving me some focus on how to organize the guide further and make it more efficient! Thank you, You are becoming my partner in crime.

I'm going to take your lead and organize the Faction Difficult Thread in a similar fashion..

For anyone reading this, if you remember some old threads you were part of that have info relevant to this thread or the Faction Difficulty thread please post the links in the new threads. It will help me (and Blackleaf) gather all the best info on the subjects for the guide proper ( and generate good conversation). Players with great tips will be put in the guide (credited of course) Thank you!

[Kjertesvein]

Updated the thread, with Credits and the text sections. good threads Joh! and musicdemon for posting back in the days.

@ Xtiaan, yeah, I added Sicely in your thread, just to help you out. You should make one section for historical and one for Defult campaign.

[Xtiaan72]

For both these threads I'm going to create sections in the guide that point to these two threads so people can get find the best info available atm when reading through the guide. That way we can get loads of good stuff together and put it in the guide at a comfortable pace.

Yea, We need tons of faction write-ups! But it will be really cool when we are done cause we will have strategies from dozens of great players!