colonization

[Brewskii]

okay first off this is not to a thread just for me to whine about things,but what I want to talk about is how America came to be.I'm not saying that how history happened is wrong, I just think a lot of things are overlooked.I think it is wrong to not mention anything in history books about the U.S. army slaughtering tons of native americans.Instead our history books say that we willingly gave up our land to immigrants and settlers.On the Trail of Tears monument it says that Kit Carson heroically "lead the Way" while in fact he aided in the rape and murder of hundreds of cherokees,choctaws,creeks,and seminoles.

[removeduser_487563287433]

So if history books don't mention it how come everybody knows about it?

[CDMan477]

I'm guessing the answer will be, "most American's don't know about it."
Andrew Jackson FTW.

[Viking Prince]

If you study high School American history -- this is covered. You, of course need to both attend class and pay attention.

[hellheaven1987]

If you study high School American history -- this is covered. You, of course need to both attend class and pay attention.

If.

History is not a require in high school.

[Viking Prince]

If.

History is not a require in high school.

Your bio says that you now live in Illinois. I do not know where you went to high school, but Illinois requires 2 years of social science with at least one year of American history.

http://www.isbe.state.il.us/news/pdf/grad_require.pdf

Do you want to pick another state?

[Pickle_mole]

Your bio says that you now live in Illinois. I do not know where you went to high school, but Illinois requires 2 years of social science with at least one year of American history.

http://www.isbe.state.il.us/news/pdf/grad_require.pdf

Do you want to pick another state?

You got served dog! plus rep for that detective work viking.

[hellheaven1987]

Your bio says that you now live in Illinois. I do not know where you went to high school, but Illinois requires 2 years of social science with at least one year of American history.

http://www.isbe.state.il.us/news/pdf/grad_require.pdf

Do you want to pick another state?

Mmm... interesting, although I passed my high school and go straight to college...

[Soulghast]

Not making excessive references on a country's wrongdoings is quite normal and happens almost everywhere in school history books. They all have their little slices of propaganda here and there, and in the case you truly want to go more in depth and learn what truly happened, you will have to research a more neutral source.

[Muagan_ra]

Imperial nations are afraid of their own brutal history - one of the weird paradigms of the modern world. You can't very well tell your people that you're liberating the people of Iraq from a murderous dictator while at the same time telling them about how you slaughted thousands of Indonesians pre-WWII, burned Vietnam to a crisp, or done away with the original inhabitants of your own country.

It's the same reason British people don't know the first thing about Northern Ireland, or Chineese about Tibet.

Unethical, but inevitable.

[removeduser_487563287433]

It's the same reason British people don't know the first thing about Northern Ireland, or Chineese about Tibet.

Try me.

[Heinz Guderian]

Try me.

Would you drive a green Land Rover down the Shanklin Rd wearing a Netherlands football top?

[removeduser_487563287433]

Not judging by the state of the old army Land Rover I fixed up two years ago.

[Tominokar]

It's the same in this country, little is said of the injustices of the British Empire in North America, Africa, India and Australia. But considering the entire country was built on colonised land, taken by force from native americans, you would expect Americans to know a little more about the subject.

[Brewskii]

It's the same in this country, little is said of the injustices of the British Empire in North America, Africa, India and Australia. But considering the entire country was built on colonised land, taken by force from native americans, you would expect Americans to know a little more about the subject.

thank you,that is my point. and yes it is covered somewhat in history books however,the wrong terms are used,the books suggest it was a war between the natives and europeans.If you ask me it was more of a genocide

[El Brujo]

My history classes usually made the Indians into a gigantic sob story. We were never taught about how they fought, brutalized, and ethnically cleansed each other. We are never taught that Indian tribes were easily turned against each other because they frequently hated each other more than they hated whites. Instead, we were taught about how they lived in harmony with nature and each other, until the evil white man arrived and systematically exterminated them to get their land.

[seal]

okay first off this is not to a thread just for me to whine about things,but what I want to talk about is how America came to be.I'm not saying that how history happened is wrong, I just think a lot of things are overlooked.I think it is wrong to not mention anything in history books about the U.S. army slaughtering tons of native americans.Instead our history books say that we willingly gave up our land to immigrants and settlers.On the Trail of Tears monument it says that Kit Carson heroically "lead the Way" while in fact he aided in the rape and murder of hundreds of cherokees,choctaws,creeks,and seminoles.

Beware of history books. Beware of historical revisionism. My father was taught in a California public school that the white man brought religion, jobs, and civilization to a backwards group of people. I was taught in a California public school that European-Americans stole, raped, and killed peaceful Native Americans who didn't understand the concept of "land ownership." Of course neither are really true.

After its founding, the United States went through a period of armed expanionism. Although heartless, it is a part of the natural progression of a state, that can only be checked by force from an outside state, either the offended group of people or another state that has an interest in keeping the status quo. Outside of Spain, Great Britain, and France, all of whom were not eager to waste the resources to check the fledgling nation-state, nobody was moved to come to the various Indian Nations' call. Therefore, it was left to the tribes for self-defense.

And this they did. They raided American settlements, wagon trains, and ill-defended forts. The bottom line is that in any conflict, tragedy and crimes happen, commited by both sides. The world is not black and white. They are good, brave people and criminals on both sides of a conflict. No one has a monopoly on righteous behavior, nor evil acts.

[Antagonist88]

Every single nation on this planet was built upon violence, war and even genocide.
History is fatal, the weak, less developed go down, the strong and advanced take it all, as cruel it may sound, this is a vital element of human evolution. Period!

[removeduser_487563287433]

Um, I hope you don't mean evolution in any sort of scientific sense.

[Antagonist88]

Um, I hope you don't mean evolution in any sort of scientific sense.

War and violence lies in human nature, just like the need to eat, to drink or to , you will never be able to stop that once and for all and it'll always be ONE amongst other elements of human evolution.