2 Afghans face death over translation of Quran

**Broken Lance** · February 07, 2009, 03:58 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29049101/

It's a sad story, and all they wanted to do is help others.

**C-Rob** · February 07, 2009, 04:21 PM

A new level of retarded for Islam. At the very, absolute, MOST these people should be excommunicated(no entering mosques), not killed for simply translating a religious text. This is absolutely shameful and absurd.

**PointOfViewGun** · February 07, 2009, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by C-Rob

A new level of retarded for Islam. At the very, absolute, MOST these people should be excommunicated(no entering mosques), not killed for simply translating a religious text. This is absolutely shameful and absurd.

Let me fix that.

It's a new level of lack of education and ignorance that has nothing to do with Islam. Islam is just a tool for these people.

Instead of forcing democracy and killing thousands of people, the "West" should force education and we'll have none of these absurdities.

**C-Rob** · February 07, 2009, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth

Let me fix that.

It's a new level of lack of education and ignorance that has nothing to do with Islam. Islam is just a tool for these people.

Instead of forcing democracy and killing thousands of people, the "West" should force education and we'll have none of these absurdities.

what? What are you talking about? Congrats on beign the first one to insult others and attack the West with no idea of where I was coming from or what I meant or know of the situation.

Wait.. do you actualy agree with killing these men?

**~~Yosemite~~** · February 07, 2009, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by C-Rob

what? What are you talking about? Congrats on beign the first one to insult others and attack the West with no idea of where I was coming from or what I meant or know of the situation.

Wait.. do you actualy agree with killing these men?

why you put words in his mouth

he said that these people are uneducated, that their ignorance has nothing to do with islam itself, he simply said that the reason for the stupidity of these people is not because of islam, but rather because of the eploit of uneducated minds by people who either want to have control and power, or people that really believe they do the right thing by indoctrinating the people into blind belief

also it doesn't say because of mistranslation, but because these editions didn't contain the arabic

big

ing deal, they have to take an arabic quran alongside the new translations

**PointOfViewGun** · February 07, 2009, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by C-Rob

what? What are you talking about? Congrats on beign the first one to insult others and attack the West with no idea of where I was coming from or what I meant or know of the situation.

Wait.. do you actualy agree with killing these men?

Do you understand English? Now that's insult towards you. I'm assuming you don't know English well enough as you've understood what I wrote in the most possibly wrong way.

Let me rephrase it for you:
You've implied that Islam is responsible for the planned executions with your sentence: "A new level of retarded for Islam."
What I'm saying is that Islam is not the cause of this absurd event. It's the lack of education and ignorance on behalf of the executors that fail.
I've insulted no one but just implied that how the "West" trying to modernize the "East" is not really working the current way.
I, in no way, agree with the executions and actually pointed that they were, indeed, wrong.
And how the frack where you come from matters? I congratulate you for diving in to this so blindly and making yourself sound very vague and dull.

**C-Rob** · February 07, 2009, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth

Do you understand English? Now that's insult towards you. I'm assuming you don't know English well enough as you've understood what I wrote in the most possibly wrong way.

Let me rephrase it for you:
You've implied that Islam is responsible for the planned executions with your sentence: "A new level of retarded for Islam."
What I'm saying is that Islam is not the cause of this absurd event. It's the lack of education and ignorance on behalf of the executors that fail.
I've insulted no one but just implied that how the "West" trying to modernize the "East" is not really working the current way.
I, in no way, agree with the executions and actually pointed that they were, indeed, wrong.
And how the frack where you come from matters?didn't mean place,duh I congratulate you for diving in to this so blindly and making yourself sound very vague and dull.

Sorry, I misunderstood your tone and that caused me to misunderstand the whole meaning.

**The Dude** · February 08, 2009, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth

Let me fix that.

It's a new level of lack of education and ignorance that has nothing to do with Islam. Islam is just a tool for these people.

Instead of forcing democracy and killing thousands of people, the "West" should force education and we'll have none of these absurdities.

No, it has absolutely nothing to do with Islam, other than the fact that this sort of

keeps happening in muslim countries.

**motiv-8** · February 08, 2009, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

No, it has absolutely nothing to do with Islam, other than the fact that this sort of

keeps happening in muslim countries.

You mean people being arrested and tried in court for ridiculous 'crimes'?

Happens here in the US all the time.

**ShADoW** · February 08, 2009, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by motiv-8

You mean people being arrested and tried in court for ridiculous 'crimes'?

Happens here in the US all the time.

Nice one

**Каие** · February 07, 2009, 05:13 PM

yay, another victory for the Afghan government. I have seen nothing but failure after failure, after failure, from this damned pathetic government of Afghanistan, their poorly performing army, their corrupt governors and civil service and absolute inability to anything at all. I sure am glad to see our sacrifices, and the mush harder sacrifices of thousands of Afghans, continue to go to waste.

We will never get what we want in Afghanistan. The liberal western obedient democracy. Never. Our plan is not working, if you can call this mess a plan. No one in the west really cares about Afghanistan. Issue number one has always been politics. First Iraq, and now Iran, and after Iran Syria. The only attention given to Afghanistan stems from political leverage, our leaders aren't sending more troops because we care or want to win with a good plan, they did it to please Obama and get in good with his administration.

"Don't do things half-arsed". We should have either cooperated with the Pakistanis fully, thrown everything we have in terms of financial and reconstruction effort or gone all out total war. We did none of those. We were too busy in Iraq. When we did it was half arsed. Sending poor men with little to no armour and equipment, and no mission. We gave the construction contracts to our mates to get ****ing rich off.

What have we achieved? People still get executed for blasphemy and translating a Quran into a frigging language the majority illiterate and poor Afghans who don't know Arabic can read.
So now we are in a situation where Afghanistan is still a mess of a land, a country steeped in history and culture, now a broken mess.

What a shame. A terrible shame.

The worst thing, is ALL of this could have been averted 16 years ago. Why is the world ran by compete and utter fools in every single corner?

Originally Posted by C-Rob

A new level of retarded for Islam. At the very, absolute, MOST these people should be excommunicated(no entering mosques), not killed for simply translating a religious text. This is absolutely shameful and absurd.

Did I miss an important call? Since when was one Taliban sympathetic hard line Imam [who has been allowed to continue by the glorious government of Afghanistan] considered synonymous with Islam? According to Islam, these people should not be even considered for punishment. In future, don't collectively issue blame. That's what got us into this mess in the first place.

Originally Posted by C-Rob

what? What are you talking about? Congrats on beign the first one to insult others and attack the West with no idea of where I was coming from or what I meant or know of the situation.

Wait.. do you actualy agree with killing these men?

a/ He didn't insult you.
b/ Don't draw up straw men. he neither implied nor hinted that ''he supported the killing of those men''.
c/ In fact he implied quite the opposite.

**Blau&Gruen** · February 08, 2009, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by ЯoMe kb8

Why is the world ran by compete and utter fools in every single corner?

Yup.

**PacSubCom** · February 17, 2009, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by ЯoMe kb8

We will never get what we want in Afghanistan. The liberal western obedient democracy. Never. Our plan is not working, if you can call this mess a plan. No one in the west really cares about Afghanistan.

The plan is not working because this isn't the plan. The only thing that's wanted is obedience. Everything else is window dressing for the media and simpletons who are easy to convince that this is for democracy and liberty (in contrast to pressure on China, Russia and Iran).

Make no mistake, the Taleban are the official enemy because they lack obedience, not because they are dangerous and medieval and fundamentalist. They are no danger for the trillion dollar military, the lot of illiterate goat herders they are. The real danger is the population that backs them. These Afghanis are politically opposed to the trillion dollar military and its puppet regime, they are many and their mullah/warlord representatives control the country.

But you can't shoot all of them, you can only slaughter so many without Stalinist repression, which wouldn't sell at all, since the methods employed in Afghanistan are registered of course. Including in other client states. This isn't the 60s, where we could always hold the great soviet threat over everyone's heads, and where you could just send in the B52s like in South East Asia, the situation is more delicate here. Others could threaten to approach China for instance. In addition, we control Afghanistan already, so an indirect "Government-denies-knowledge" Iraq-style sanction holocaust is not applicable.

But here we have another example of the terrible backwardness of the Afghanis, and how-much-is-still-to-be-done to help the poor buggers and protect them of themselves, and it's a good thing Uncle Sam and friends are there to help now isn't it. But they're too backwards to even understand that you have to get along with the program or else. They (Taleban & Co.) just don't understand what's good for them.

I am hopeful that eventually they will shed their unhealthy notions of personal honor and just take the god damned money!

**Garrigan** · February 07, 2009, 04:40 PM

I'm so glad we replaced the repressive, epicly religiously conservative govt in Afganistan...

**Treize** · February 07, 2009, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Kasey

I'm so glad we replaced the repressive, epicly religiously conservative govt in Afganistan...

Taliban still rules the country

**Garrigan** · February 07, 2009, 05:02 PM

Taliban still rules the country

It doesnt control (much of) Kabul yet!

**Central Asian Qaghan** · February 07, 2009, 07:16 PM

A simple missunderstanding. These Imams need to realise that their focus should be protecting these peopl efrom the filth of the west, by educating them on proper methods needed to combat the filth. They should not be fighting amongst each other.

**boofhead** · February 07, 2009, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by The Turkish Sultan

A simple missunderstanding. These Imams need to realise that their focus should be protecting these peopl efrom the filth of the west, by educating them on proper methods needed to combat the filth. They should not be fighting amongst each other.

The only filth in this thread would be Islamic sharia in Afghanistan.