Only two temples in Rome BI?

[bgunter]

I was playing as the WRE in BI and notice that there are only two temples you can build for paganism. I was wandering for the time period if that was accurate? Did the early empire gods like Jupiter, Mars, etc, during the late empire (BI time period) die out?

[Scutarii]

I doubt they completely died out (don't take things CA does literally). But, IIRC, those two (Sol Invictus and Mithras) were more prevalent. Especially Mithras, it was extremely popular among soldiers and is mentioned in the timeframe of RTW vanilla as well.

[bgunter]

Thanks for the reply man.

[aznflea]

didnt the roman empires turn christian after consecutive christian emperors?

the funny thing is that the christian emperors were more decadent and morally corrupt than the pagan worshipping emperors. the final few emperors of the empire were so corrupt and lazy that they did as much damage to the roman empire as the barbarians did to them.

[stomp bash chop]

didnt the roman empires turn christian after consecutive christian emperors?

the funny thing is that the christian emperors were more decadent and morally corrupt than the pagan worshipping emperors. the final few emperors of the empire were so corrupt and lazy that they did as much damage to the roman empire as the barbarians did to them.

i don`t mean to be insulting but that is absolute rubbish.
if you can name two names more synonymus with roman decadence decline and corruption than nero and caligula then i will accept your statement, otherwise.......

[Xavier Dragnesi]

The Roman Empire turned Christain due to the emperor Constantine. But what you say is right to an extent. I think once they converted to Christianity, they lost the connection of pride and determination to Rome, which the early emperors had. And cos in a war at that time you couldn't really be 'loyal' to Christ and have great self-pride at being Christain, things broke down.

[Demetrios of Messene]

So, the Romans who had lasted around a milenium as pagans converted to christians and lasted another milenium. And that makes christian romans less competent as generals/ warriors why exactly?

[RMSN NIKE]

Roman Empire, from start of Expanding, not founding of the city, to the end of Pagan rule only lasted around 650 years, from around 300 BC to around 350 AD. The Christian Roman Empire, from Rome fell about 120 years later, the decadent part, as in moral and Pagan influences. The more Christian devout part, the Eastern part, lasted to 1453, through bribing, luck of their enemies encountered other enemies, and a general lack of siege technology.

Christian Roman were only good at war with the guy from the West that defeated Attila, Justinian, Heracles(?), and Basil from the East. They were weak most of the other time. But the military decline started in the Pagan time.

[Demetrios of Messene]

Roman Empire, from start of Expanding, not founding of the city, to the end of Pagan rule only lasted around 650 years, from around 300 BC to around 350 AD. The Christian Roman Empire, from Rome fell about 120 years later, the decadent part, as in moral and Pagan influences. The more Christian devout part, the Eastern part, lasted to 1453, through bribing, luck of their enemies encountered other enemies, and a general lack of siege technology.

Christian Roman were only good at war with the guy from the West that defeated Attila, Justinian, Heracles(?), and Basil from the East. They were weak most of the other time. But the military decline started in the Pagan time.

I was counting from the founding of Rome (8th cent. B.C.), because a) republican romans produced able armies as well and b) I do not favour either pagans or romans over their fighting skills, so I kind of liked the balance of time periods.

The East was weak most of the time?? They were the undisputed most powerful european state (and one of the most powerful world states) in terms of economy and military strength almost continually until the 10th-11th century.

The guy from west: Flavius Aetius
Heracles (?) : Heraclius
These guys along with Justinian and Basil II are not the only famous generals/ emperors of the christian Roman Empire, just because these are the only ones you know. How about:
Belisarius and Narses (served under Justinian)
Maurice
Leo III
John I Tzimiskes
Alexios I Komnenos
and this list could have been a much longer if i had better memory...

It takes much, much more than bribing and luck to survive for as long as the eastern Roman Empire did.

I apologise for straying from the topic, but I could not help it

[invictus1991]

The old gods were not as widely worshiped at this time period. Mithras was basically the religion of the army. Sol Invictus was worshiped by emperors, until Constantine. After him all Emperors (except Julian) were christian, thus more funding and preference was given to Christianity.

[RMSN NIKE]

Ok, my knowledge is limited. As for Heracles, I am not too sure of his correct name, but very close to it. He was a Thracian, I think, who climb the ranks and eventually became Emperor(read a long time ago, and sold the text book at the end of the semester). He fought the Sassanids for decades in the Antioch region. He had the advantage, but both sides were exhausted after the decades of intermident wars, when they signed the peace treaty. He got back to Constantinople. Because he had become an old man, weak from (forgot the name, but the one that causes constant diarrea), he had to get back to the war torn region to fight a new horde of invaders, from the Southeast. He lost, died in battle, and lost all southern territories to the new horde/relgion, a first timer on the world political sceene at the time.

P.S. I write all these from the recollection from a old memory that is years old. Accuracy might not be 100%, but the main point was clear.

[Sunday213]

Well there are alot more but rome total war concentrates on military forces and men not really civilians if so then there would be alot of temples

[Selifator]

Demetrios, the roman armies that existed at the founding of the city were rubbish. Before Rome even had control over other cities right next to it, it was constantly assailed by stronger city-states with better armies.
And yeah, there are way too many gods for each faction to keep track off, though Roma Surrectum has a lot of temples (12 or so) for the factions.

[Draco Borealis]

Sol Invictus was new Roman state cult introduced by Aurelian and Mithraism was popular among soldiers so the Emperors who were often soldiers themselfs concetrated on this two. Plus either becouse there was an economic crisis or army was doubled to meet Sasanid threat from east from III cetury the buiding of more types of temples (by central goverment) was postponed. Building city walls and stone forts was higher prority I'm sure.:hmmm:

[Demetrios of Messene]

Demetrios, the roman armies that existed at the founding of the city were rubbish.

Honestly, I don't know anything about the roman armies that existed at the founding of the city. My impression is that their armies were average, or typical if you prefer, of the time and place (but why rubbish mate?). Eventually, though they became stronger and stronger; this process started and developed quite a lot during the republican times.

And here's a comment on topic: Actually, during the BI time frame there were temples of numerous deities throughout the roman and "barbarian" world. What seems realistic, for the roman world at least, is that people stopped building all these various temples and, as christianity was gaining ground, they started building christian churches. Sometimes this was also encouraged and decreed by the emperor.

[Scutarii]

I think he says rubbish because Rome was effectively under Etruscan control in its early years. But, at that time it was just another Italian city-state..

[RMSN NIKE]

After they got their independence, their Phalanx style army was defeated by the Etruscan, forgot when. Then army of City of Rome reformed to the Manciple Hastati, Principes, Triarii and Velites. This army type lasted for about 400 to 500 years, until the Marian reform to the Early Legions. Ceasr to the Legions(as in Vanilla), happened 100 years after Marian.

So, early Rome army was rubbish, even though they did expand a little with it. But the Manciples army typle carried the majority conquests. And the other reforms continue the conquest and maintaince of the huge Empire.

[SonOfAlexander]

I don't think that they stopped worshipping Mars and Jupiter etc. so much, it's just that other gods became more popular - the idea of monotheism was unknown except in Christianity. Early on, many people simply added Jesus to a 'list of other gods' they worshipped! Sol Invictus was v popular - all you did was have big wine drinking parties, especially on 25th December, which the Christians used as Jesus' b-day because it was popular, they needed something that people would remember and they didnt know a date - just that he was registered in the census declared by Augustus in 6 BC.

Mithraism was very popular and can still exist in cult forms (Read Bloodfever by Charlie Higson - Young Bond series ). It had some very similar ideals to Christianity and converting them was so tough that it took people like Paul who wrote the letters to the Romans, Corinthians and Ephesians, which are in the bible.

[RMSN NIKE]

Christianity was not the first and only monotheism. Judaism and Zoroastrian were the first and second monotheism religion at this section of the ancient world, respectively.

[Sunday213]

Christianity was not the first and only monotheism. Judaism and Zoroastrian were the first and second monotheism religion at this section of the ancient world, respectively.

Didn't Christianity derive from Judaism it seems?