Pakistani Scientist Free

[Central Asian Qaghan]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7873962.stm

Good on him. He shouldn't care what the US thinks. Frankly they can go stick a log up if they think this hero deserves anything less. He should run for Prime Minister, I would vote for him. He is one of the bravest, most honest Pakistani from my country that I know and the one who has put India on its toes.

Bravo AQ Khan! Bravo!

[MathiasOfAthens]

LMAO...

Listen mate, I'm sure Dr. Khan was a hero to your country after he discovered the miracle of Nuclear Power and transformed it into a weapon but he then sold your states secrets to a dictator on the Korean Peninsula. He admitted to transporting Uranium to North Korea and then had the balls to say the President knew he was doing that. Hes nothing more than a traitor to your country or a fall guy for some other traitor higher up, whatever the case may be he wont be running for political office, he said he would focus on Education.

Oh and he still has to give 48 hour notice before he leaves the house. So no last minute outings to secret terrorist meetings.

[Gumpfendorfer]

say the President knew he was doing that.

Mathias, you seem to misinterpret the entire affair. Here you can read the complete story.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Dec.../9780802715548

The shocking, three-decade story of A. Q. Khan and Pakistan’s nuclear program, and the complicity of the United States in the spread of nuclear weaponry.

On December 15, 1975, A. Q. Khan—a young Pakistani scientist working in Holland—stole top-secret blueprints for a revolutionary new process to arm a nuclear bomb. His original intention, and that of his government, was purely patriotic—to provide Pakistan a counter to India’s recently unveiled nuclear device. However, as Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark chillingly relate in their masterful investigation of Khan’s career over the past thirty years, over time that limited ambition mushroomed into the world’s largest clandestine network engaged in selling nuclear secrets—a mercenary and illicit program managed by the Pakistani military and made possible, in large part, by aid money from the United States, Saudi Arabia, and Libya, and by indiscriminate assistance from China.
Most unnerving, the authors reveal that the sales of nuclear weapons technology to Iran, North Korea, and Libya, so much in the news today, were made with the clear knowledge of the American government, for whom Pakistan has been a crucial buffer state and ally—first against the Soviet Union, now in the “war against terror.” Every successive American presidency, from Jimmy Carter to George W. Bush, has turned a blind eye to Pakistan’s nuclear activity—rewriting and destroying evidence provided by its intelligence agencies, lying to Congress and the American people about Pakistan’s intentions and capability, and facilitating, through shortsightedness andintent, the spread of the very weapons we vilify the “axis of evil” powers for having and fear terrorists will obtain. Deception puts our current standoffs with Iran and North Korea in a startling new perspective, and makes clear two things: that Pakistan, far from being an ally, is a rogue nation at the epicenter of world destabilization; and that the complicity of the United States has ushered in a new nuclear winter.
Based on hundreds of interviews in the United States, Pakistan, India, Israel, Europe, and Southeast Asia, Deception is a masterwork of reportage and dramatic storytelling by two of the world’s most resourceful investigative journalists. Urgently important, it should stimulate debate and command a reexamination of our national priorities.

Having said that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal and industry is a matter which is of the utmost importance of us all. Nothing to go cheering about, least of all Pakistanis. But try and explain that to a teenager called Turkish Sultan.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Mathias, you seem to misinterpret the entire affair. Here you can read the complete story.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Dec.../9780802715548




Having said that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal and industry is a matter which is of the utmost importance of us all. Nothing to go cheering about, least of all Pakistanis. But try and explain that to a teenager called Turkish Sultan.

More than what I knew thanks for the info. I had a clue that he was working on the bomb to develop a counter to India arsenal but I didnt know he stole the secrets from the dutch and his activities for a century were ignored by America.

+ Rep.

[mrmouth]

Here you can read the complete story.

I just dont understand what the US gets out of doing what these authors claim.

There were very deeply buried ties between the US and Pakistan since the Soviet Invasion of A-stan, but what exactly did we get out of letting Pakistan covertly develop a nuclear program?

They don't really ever appear to explain why the US did what they claim. And that might be a result of how deeply buried it was, but they never even suggest or elude to anything either.

Its easy to simply show that we had ties with Pakistan in the 80's. But Pakistan wasn't providing us with anything that would lead to them having a bargaining chip.

[Gumpfendorfer]

I just dont understand what the US gets out of doing what these authors claim.

A fight between State Department and the Pentagon. According to the book it was Cheney himself who block it at some point. The reason as describes was assistance against Russia's war in Afghanistan. Other sources who wrote quite extensively about the matter claim it too.

Various administrations did try and block what was going on, that too is described in the book. Internal fighting between the departments of the US administration -the hawks and the doves- prevented every president to develop a sound police. Apart from events which needed to be solved first. And they have had very little to answer to Pakistan machinations. They truly are a superior league. US is still operating in the dark on many levels and hardly has had any leverage. Edit: and at critical points it has been more a policy of appeasement towards Pakistan. The Pakistan military has always been very good in manipulating its allies. Supporting the Taliban turned out a massive cash machine for the Pak military. A major reason to jump on their wagon. relations between the USA and Pakistan has always been a forced marriage, never a happy one. My wife calls it "The Dark Alliance", dark in a sense that it has been quite destructive for both parties involved.

The book is well sourced material, people like Robert Gates, Robert Galluci and many other officials from US administrations have spoken openly about it and all are worried stiff about what might happen. Me to.

All in all its more of a screw up than clear policy of the United States to give Pakistan its bomb. By the time they found out what was really going on, it was too late. And last but not least: on many occasions governments act against their own interest. Short term fixes, creating long term nightmares. This is another fine example. You know how the system works.

[mrmouth]

The book is well sourced material, people like Robert Gates, Robert Galluci and many other officials from US administrations have spoken openly about it and all are worried stiff about what might happen. Me to.

I think I might have to read it now. Although I'm not really in the mood to be frustrated by a story of stupidity at the upper echelon of administrations and the intelligence agencies in the US.

I can only take so much at one time...

thanks for the breakdown.

[Haakon]

Khan is a simple thief who STOLE secrets from the Dutch. If a theif is a hero in your world then i pitty you.

[Haakon]

So is he going to be trialed in a Sharia court? I belive the punishment for theft is having your hand cut off.

[Chaigidel]

I dont really think any punishment is enough.

[Central Asian Qaghan]

The usual Muslim bashers and Pakistan haters are here. If the world ran according to you, all Muslims would either be dead or in slavery.

He is a hero to the millions of muslims who are and still hope to be free. He is a symbol of what Muslims can achieve when we use the Pagan ideals and Pagan works (ala the dutch). I don't care if he stolel them from Pagans Edited.

As for selling to NK, an enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[MathiasOfAthens]

The usual Muslim bashers and Pakistan haters are here. If the world ran according to you, all Muslims would either be dead or in slavery.

He is a hero to the millions of muslims who are and still hope to be free. He is a symbol of what Muslims can achieve when we use the Pagan ideals and Pagan works (ala the dutch). I don't care if he stolel them from Pagans Edited.

As for selling to NK, an enemy of my enemy is my friend.

I am now confused, are you trolling or are you seriously brainwashed.

No one here hates Pakistan any more than pro-Israelis hate Gazans. We generally do not like thieves who steal state secrets and give it to other nations for money.

Pagan? The dutch have a montheistic religion. There are also a large amount of Dutch muslims, and some of those first generation dutch immigrants protest and demand sharia justice against any non-muslim who speaks ill of their religion.

And by works do you mean freedom of press, religion, right to protest, civil liberties and such that your country does not have? Did you mean those? Or perhaps intellectual works like novels and academia books? I hope your country has academia books, or do your teachers steal them like your scientist?

As for selling to NK, an enemy of my enemy is my friend.

NK is an isolationist country that prob paid DR. Khan a lot of money for the Uranium...

On May 30, 2008, ABC News reported that Khan, who previously confessed to his involvement with Iran and North Korea, now denies involvement with the spread of nuclear arms to those countries. He explained in an interview with ABC News that the Pakistani government and President Pervez Musharraf forced him to be a "scapegoat" for the "national interest." He denies ever traveling to Iran or Libya and claims that North Korea's nuclear program was well advanced before his visit.

NM Khan now says he was a scapegoat. How about that hero now.

[Central Asian Qaghan]

No one here hates Pakistan any more than pro-Israelis hate Gazans. We generally do not like thieves who steal state secrets and give it to other nations for money.

Too damn bad. The west certainly doesn't seem to care if they stole national treasures of Muslim countries and make money from them in the musems. They don't seem to care that they took precious resources from colonizing and enslaving the native populations of the Muslim countries and make money off that.

Why should I care when Muslims do it to the Pagans? In fact, they should have done it more. The debt that the west owes is still unpaid.

Pagan? The dutch have a montheistic religion. There are also a large amount of Dutch muslims, and some of those first generation dutch immigrants protest and demand sharia justice against any non-muslim who speaks ill of their religion.

And they damn as well should. Why should anyone tolerate pagans pissing of their religion?

And by works do you mean freedom of press, religion, right to protest, civil liberties and such that your country does not have? Did you mean those? Or perhaps intellectual works like novels and academia books? I hope your country has academia books, or do your teachers steal them like your scientist?

The first part are all hogwash and not fit to be commented on.

Once again anything stolen is good in that the west shall learn that taking things from us in the past means we colonize and beat the tar out of the west and any valubale things they have.

NK is an isolationist country that prob paid DR. Khan a lot of money for the Uranium...

NM Khan now says he was a scapegoat. How about that hero now.

What was done ot him was wrong, but he's freed and should continue his research in protecting the Muslim countries from the evil deeds of the west and their pagan rituals.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Too damn bad. The west certainly doesn't seem to care if they stole national treasures of Muslim countries and make money from them in the musems. They don't seem to care that they took precious resources from colonizing and enslaving the native populations of the Muslim countries and make money off that.

Return Roman and Greek treasures to western Museums that your ancestors stole from us.

Why should I care when Muslims do it to the Pagans? In fact, they should have done it more. The debt that the west owes is still unpaid.

What debt and who are these pagans you speak of, I swear you might be worse than jankren.

Paganism (from Latin paganus, meaning "country dweller, rustic")[1] is the blanket term given to describe religions and spiritual practices of pre-Christian Europe, and by extension a term for polytheistic traditions or folk religion worldwide seen from a Western or Christian viewpoint. The term has various different meanings, though, from a Western perspective, it has modern connotations of a faith that has polytheistic,[2] spiritualist, animistic or shamanic practices, such as a folk religion, historical polytheistic or neopagan religion.

Perhaps the word your seeking my friend is Heretic. Heretic for Heresy since western religion does not recognize Muhammad.

And they damn as well should. Why should anyone tolerate pagans pissing of their religion?



The first part are all hogwash and not fit to be commented on.

I can say the same for this part as well.

Once again anything stolen is good in that the west shall learn that taking things from us in the past means we colonize and beat the tar out of the west and any valubale things they have.

I seriously have no idea why your stuck on this crusades bit.
And what does any of what you just said have to do with...

And by works do you mean freedom of press, religion, right to protest, civil liberties and such that your country does not have? Did you mean those? Or perhaps intellectual works like novels and academia books? I hope your country has academia books, or do your teachers steal them like your scientist?

What was done ot him was wrong, but he's freed and should continue his research in protecting the Muslim countries from the evil deeds of the west and their pagan rituals.

You should be lucky that the CIA or MI6 havnt picked him up yet. If you do see him tell him not to leave the country any time soon (@Mods that was not a threat, it was more like a prediction).

[Haakon]

Too damn bad. The west certainly doesn't seem to care if they stole national treasures of Muslim countries and make money from them in the musems. They don't seem to care that they took precious resources from colonizing and enslaving the native populations of the Muslim countries and make money off that.

The christians called, they want Constantinople back. May they have it? They promised to return national trasures from musems.

Why should I care when Muslims do it to the Pagans? In fact, they should have done it more. The debt that the west owes is still unpaid.

Off with their heads, right?

And they damn as well should. Why should anyone tolerate pagans pissing of their religion?

you are doing that yourself. Theres no need for us to do it.

Once again anything stolen is good in that the west shall learn that taking things from us in the past means we colonize and beat the tar out of the west and any valubale things they have.

I thought Islam ment peace?

What was done ot him was wrong, but he's freed and should continue his research in protecting the Muslim countries from the evil deeds of the west and their pagan rituals.

Pagan rituals? You are a zealot of the worst kind and if I were muslim I would be embarrassed by you.

[Erik]

Once again anything stolen is good in that the west shall learn that taking things from us in the past means we colonize and beat the tar out of the west and any valubale things they have.

When exactly did the Dutch steal from Pakistan?
Or do you think punishing the innocent is a good way to get to the guilty?

What was done ot him was wrong, but he's freed and should continue his research in protecting the Muslim countries from the evil deeds of the west and their pagan rituals.

What was done to him was done by Pakistan.

The Netherlands cleared him from prosecution in 1985 (because of a failure in the Dutch judicial procedure), and offered him a humanitarian visum in 1992.

If only Pakistan allowed him to leave in 1992, he could have lived as a free man in the Netherlands (and most of the West I think) for the past 16 years.

So what EXACTLY is your beef with my country????

You should be lucky that the CIA or MI6 havnt picked him up yet.

The head of the Dutch secret service (BVD) met with him in 1986, when he came to the Netherlands to visit his family.
The CIA explicitly requested that we would be allowed to leave freely, and the BVD complied. (he was cleared from all charges, after all).

Dr Khan has absolutely nothing to fear from the CIA.
(not sure about MI6 though, but I doubt they would do anything to him without approval from America).

[Haakon]

The usual Muslim bashers and Pakistan haters are here. If the world ran according to you, all Muslims would either be dead or in slavery.

I think you got that backwords, like many other things.

He is a hero to the millions of muslims who are and still hope to be free. He is a symbol of what Muslims can achieve when we use the Pagan ideals and Pagan works (ala the dutch). I don't care if he stolel them from Pagans Edited.

As for selling to NK, an enemy of my enemy is my friend.

So what you are saying is that your hero is a thief? A regular ali Baba.
Are you aware that when you use pagan technology you will be corrupted? Yeah its true, you are being corruptedf as we speak. The internet witch is a pagan technology will corrupt you. Before you lknow it you will be infidel like us.

[Last Roman]

As for selling to NK, an enemy of my enemy is my friend.

You think you'd learn from us. That way of thinking usually comes back to bite you in the ass.

[Yosemite]

As for selling to NK, an enemy of my enemy is my friend.

no that's pure greed

[Kiljan Arslan]

Yeah usual Muslim bashers(SARCASM) I think this guy is scum and you have no leg to stand on calling anyone a basher.