Bush the Liberator of Iraq

[Clouse123456]

Lets be honest here Bush has done Iraq a big favor.Maybe it wasnt the best route.You know maybe it wasnt the safest or less leathal or deadly.Im talking about Iraqi civilian deaths.But guess what people there going to do somthing they would never been able to do without Bushy.Vote! There choosing their leaders and guess what these leaders are chosen by them.It will be a rocky road ahead for sure.


That being said I heard the Iraqi goverment is putting up a statue of Alexander.........................................Why?
Dont get me wrong I dont want a statue of GWB in Iraq.
But why is it that people look at Georgie any different from lets say Ceasar or Alexander.Now I know what ur going to say "well he is some dumb texan" .Well there both conqueorors lets be honest here ALexander and Ceasar both killed way more people than Bushi.Not only that but they killed people soldiers too btw for selfish reasons.Land, wealth and somtimes just for plain glory.So you killed my dad who was a soldier because you wanted more land.How is that any better?

[Lebron James]

Bush was a guy who did what he thought was right. Never once did he compromise his principles while in office despite tremendous adversity. A tremendous man of "faith," that will be his true legacy.

Hats off to General Petraeus and the brave men and women in uniform, they too just as much as bush had a part in the new Iraqi Govt's success.

[Ishoss]

Nah, there's no difference between them. None at all.

How about, 2000 (two-thousand) years apart? Wounds heal. I tend to dislike persons who have wronged me the last week more than persons who wronged me 10 years ago.

York in England, a town with both strong Roman and Viking heritage honors their heritage both by monuments and museums. They realized that the Vikings and Romans brought many new ideas (good ideas) to England and thus they don't hate Denmark or Italy today.

Just like Alexander and his empire introduced good ideas and innovations into Mesopotamia two-thousand years ago.

Maybe they will look at Bush in the same way in two-thousand years, however I very much doubt it.

[Clouse123456]

Nah, there's no difference between them. None at all.

How about, 2000 (two-thousand) years apart? Wounds heal. I tend to dislike persons who have wronged me the last week more than persons who wronged me 10 years ago.

York in England, a town with both strong Roman and Viking heritage honors their heritage both by monuments and museums. They realized that the Vikings and Romans brought many new ideas (good ideas) to England and thus they don't hate Denmark or Italy today.

Just like Alexander and his empire introduced good ideas and innovations into Mesopotamia two-thousand years ago.

Maybe they will look at Bush in the same way in two-thousand years, however I very much doubt it.

Democracey for one. I wager a bag of M&Ms that in 80 years things will significantly be better for the Iraq.Much better than during Sadam's reign too.Anyone ever see the HBO series House of Saddam.IRaq was freaking doing very bad for a long time economy wise.THe only solution Sadam could come up was gas the kurds and the IRanians.Yea that worked.

[gojira]

I found this in the web a while ago:

This is what the Brave New World of Iraqi Sovereignty looks like:

* US military bases remain, with more being built.
* Some 160,000 troops of the United States and its allies remain, the Americans for at least five years.
* US military commanders will continue to exercise final authority over not only these troops, but also all Iraqi police, security and army units.
* Immunity from Iraqi criminal charges for US military and contractor personnel continues.
* A giant American embassy is being built, to hold a thousand employees.
* Before his departure, the US administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority, L. Paul Bremer, issued a raft of edicts. The new interim government has very limited power to change these laws and regulations, one of which is an elections provision that gives a commission the power to disqualify political parties and any of the candidates they support.
* Bremer also appointed at least two dozen selected Iraqis to key government jobs with multi-year terms.
* The prime-minister, Ayad Allawi, who was chosen by Bremer, is a former (?) CIA asset. (Allawi has a vicious, ruthless background, including working with Saddam Hussein, and reportedly has personally engaged in horrible, sadistic acts as prime minister.)
* The United States retains custody of Saddam Hussein.
* The United States continues to bomb the people of Iraq and smash down their doors wherever and whenever it wishes.

The US has never and will never intervene into another countrie´s affairs without selfishness or when it´s Israeli string pullers demand her to do so.

Not easy to stand, but nonetheless the truth. Flame on.

[Barry Goldwater]

I found this in the web a while ago:

Quote:
This is what the Brave New World of Iraqi Sovereignty looks like:

* US military bases remain, with more being built.
* Some 160,000 troops of the United States and its allies remain, the Americans for at least five years.
* US military commanders will continue to exercise final authority over not only these troops, but also all Iraqi police, security and army units.
* Immunity from Iraqi criminal charges for US military and contractor personnel continues.
* A giant American embassy is being built, to hold a thousand employees.
* Before his departure, the US administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority, L. Paul Bremer, issued a raft of edicts. The new interim government has very limited power to change these laws and regulations, one of which is an elections provision that gives a commission the power to disqualify political parties and any of the candidates they support.
* Bremer also appointed at least two dozen selected Iraqis to key government jobs with multi-year terms.
* The prime-minister, Ayad Allawi, who was chosen by Bremer, is a former (?) CIA asset. (Allawi has a vicious, ruthless background, including working with Saddam Hussein, and reportedly has personally engaged in horrible, sadistic acts as prime minister.)
* The United States retains custody of Saddam Hussein.
* The United States continues to bomb the people of Iraq and smash down their doors wherever and whenever it wishes.
The US has never and will never intervene into another countrie´s affairs without selfishness or when it´s Israeli string pullers demand her to do so.

Not easy to stand, but nonetheless the truth. Flame on.

Wait...now the US government is a Zionist puppet too?

OT, I for one never supported the Iraq War, although now we are finally reaping the fruit of our seemingly pointless labors...and I must say, it was people like Petraeus who did the hard work, not Bush...

[gojira]

Anyone ever see the HBO series House of Saddam.IRaq was freaking doing very bad for a long time economy wise.THe only solution Sadam could come up was gas the kurds and the IRanians.Yea that worked.

Uhm, I dont know where to start.

1) Saddam is a creature of the United States.
When he decided to run the country on his own and to establish an oil exchange, that would no longer use the Dollar, gulf war 1 was launched.

2) The economical crisis is caused in the US initiated sanctions on the country, that lastet for about 10 years and resulted in 1Mio dead Iraquies.

1Mio, that´s the number of Iraquies you killed without firing a single shot. Another tens of thousands during the "war" (massacre fits better).

And history will tell us, maybe in 80 years as its a number u´ve thrown in, how many will die due to the Depleted uranium ammonition for the nuclear wasteland large parts of Iraq now are.

With "liberators" such as the US, you dont have to fear any tyrant.

[Gelgoog]

Uhm, I dont know where to start.

1) Saddam is a creature of the United States.
When he decided to run the country on his own and to establish an oil exchange, that would no longer use the Dollar, gulf war 1 was launched.

2) The economical crisis is caused in the US initiated sanctions on the country, that lastet for about 10 years and resulted in 1Mio dead Iraquies.

1Mio, that´s the number of Iraquies you killed without firing a single shot. Another tens of thousands during the "war" (massacre fits better).

And history will tell us, maybe in 80 years as its a number u´ve thrown in, how many will die due to the Depleted uranium ammonition for the nuclear wasteland large parts of Iraq now are.

With "liberators" such as the US, you dont have to fear any tyrant.

do you have a source for any of this, or is it what your "brain stormed" while enhailing fumes from all those burning flags?

[Lebron James]

Agreed

[Gertrudius]

@OP

Either way, the invasion of Iraq was not a very good move on the part of Bush. It's ruined our international credibility, while tying up hundreds of thousands of troops in a war that really was not necessary.

That being said, we ed Iraq over, and thus it became our responsibility to see that we leave it in a somewhat stable position in order to avoid cementing our initial mistake. Your probably right that Iraq is better off due to the removal of Saddams regime, and I hope that things continue to go well in Iraq. I cant help but feel that in invading Iraq, we were forced to neglect Afghanistan, which has only recently been having additional resources shifted in it's direction.

In the end, any credit should go to General Petraeus, and our men and women in uniform, not the Politicians who got us in the mess in the first place.

The US has never and will never intervene into another countrie´s affairs without selfishness or when it´s Israeli string pullers demand her to do so.

You can ascribe to whatever conspiracy theory makes you happy, but don't expect us to buy into it without a reasonably unbiased source. Just giving you a heads up.

Take it easy,

[k995]

Bush was a guy who did what he thought was right. Never once did he compromise his principles while in office despite tremendous adversity. A tremendous man of "faith," that will be his true legacy.

yeah blind faith wich made him do a whole bunch of quit stupid decisions.

What a legacy.

[Heathen Hammer]

Yeah, and Brezhnev is liberator of Afghanistan.

[Zephyrus]

Um, Alexander was at the forefront of his armies. Where was Bush? He basically dodged the draft and sat at his ranch playing golf all day.

Where the hell do you see the comparison? "Bush is Caesar" Tu es loco??

Maybe you're smoking the same pot as Michael phelps? It'd explain your OP perfectly.

[dogukan]

we are in the 21st century.......when you kill the loved ones of everyone in a country, screw their stabilization, impose your culture upon theirs, invade their lands and finish of their honor, put a puppet government....people eventually considers becoming an insurgent. Not very suprising eh.....a favor Bush did? Who says so? Did you ask Iraqis? Because it's for them to decide not me and not you.

[Pickle_mole]

The recent elections are a testament to the progress we have and they have made. No major incidents of violence and the people are turning away from the Islamic parties and heading towards the secular and nationalistic ones.

[Zephyrus]

The recent elections are a testament to the progress we have and they have made. No major incidents of violence and the people are turning away from the Islamic parties and heading towards the secular and nationalistic ones.

Al Maliki is still their president. With the disapproval of his policies being ever present, it sounds suspiciously like these booths are being rigged in his favor.

:hmmm:

[Farnan]

Al Maliki is still their president. With the disapproval of his policies being ever present, it sounds suspiciously like these booths are being rigged in his favor.

:hmmm:

Parliamentary Elections don't happen till this fall...

And Maliki gained in popularity this year, since the Battle of Basra.

[Zephyrus]

Parliamentary Elections don't happen till this fall...

And Maliki gained in popularity this year, since the Battle of Basra.

I was refering to his party.

In any case, it seems this guy consistently comes out on top. Didn't I hear somewhere a sunni tribal cheif claim he had prove of voter fraud? :hmmm:

[Farnan]

I was refering to his party.

In any case, it seems this guy consistently comes out on top. Didn't I hear somewhere a sunni tribal cheif claim he had prove of voter fraud? :hmmm:

Yea, voter fraud by the Iraqi Islamic Party, a completely different party than Maliki. That party, if they committed the fraud, sucks at it as the Iraqi Islamic Party lost badly.

[Da Skinna]

Odd... Saddam Hussein's name doesn't even show up...

When the big daddy died, his two sons would have probably torn to shreds the other, with most likely Qusay coming out on top, the one Saddam wanted in power after he died.

I would actually bet less civilian deaths if US didn't invade, accounting of course for Iran and Saudi Arabia.