"Oops" says the UN

[byzantineklibanophori]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...34-601,00.html

UN says oops, retracts accusations that the Israelis deliberately shelled UN schools.

In a rare moment, the UN criticises Hamas for breaking into a UN compound and stealing aid meant for civilians.

[Mikelus Trento]

Interesting indeed. Thanks for posting this.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Once again more proof that Hamas were using civilians as cover to fire mortars.

They said the dead included two identifiable Palestinian militants believed to have been involved in the mortar firing.

Palestinian militants fire mortars within the group of families. Israel responds by firing where the mortars originated, the results: Collateral damage and unfortunate deaths. In hindsight the commander who order the firing prob shouldnt have, but in context he did not fire on the school, he fired at the location that enemy mortar rounds were originating.

An Israeli watchdog organisation, NGO Monitor, released a report this week accusing international human rights organisations of ignoring the use by Hamas of human shields while "publishing unverified eyewitness evidence and unaccountable casualty figures throughout the conflict, which have since been refuted. These claims helped create an assumption of Israeli guilt and were amplified by the media, influencing the conflict itself."

Meanwhile, a UN spokesman, in a rare public clash with Hamas, accused Hamas police of breaking into a Gaza warehouse full of UN humanitarian supplies and seizing thousands of blankets and food packages.

"They were armed, they seized this, they took it by force," said UNRWA spokesman Christopher Gunness, who described the incident "absolutely unacceptable".

[Lonck]

thnx for posting. My eyes are finally open. The israelis aren't the blood thirsty genocidal maniacs I thought they were. Because of this article I have finally seen the truth.

[Valentin the II]

thnx for posting. My eyes are finally open. The israelis aren't the blood thirsty genocidal maniacs I thought they were. Because of this article I have finally seen the truth.

Is that sarcasm? :hmmm:

[fieldmarshal]

UN has generally been always anti-Israeli, so i am not surprised.

[gojira]

UN has generally been always anti-Israeli, so i am not surprised.

Me neither, as Israel is a terror state.

[Georgy Zhukov]

Me neither, as Israel is a terror state.

So your not surprised that Israel didn't target a school?

[gojira]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=222977

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSHl3C9kgY


Watching this video, you see after 3minutes what the difference between a zionist and a jew is. This is single piece of video is by far the BEST argument to fight antisemitism and to direct the anger that the current Gaza pictures cause throughout the world towards those, who deserve it.
Above video is a must see.



"It is not because they are Zionists that they are evildoers. It is because they are evildoers that they are Zionists."
--Rabbi Avraham Yoshe Freund



Here´s some quotes I collected throughout my research, interesting to say the least:

"Every time we do something you [Shimon Perez] tell me America will do this and will
do that... I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry
about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control
America, and the Americans know it."
Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol
Yisrael radio.

"Israel controls the US Senate."
Senator William Fulbright

„The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history.”
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...=0&l istSrc=Y

"I've never seen a president - I don't care who he is - stand up to them [the Israelis]..... They always get what they want. The Israelis know what's going on all the time. ... If the American people understood what grip those people have on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens don't have any idea what goes on."
-- Admiral Thomas Moorer of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. (Washington Report 12/1999, p.124 quoted in Andrew Hurley's book, "One Nation Under Israel")


Who broke the cease fire? Israel!

“Sources in the defense establishment said Defense Minister Ehud Barak instructed the Israel Defense Forces to prepare for the operation over six months ago, even as Israel was beginning to negotiate a ceasefire agreement with Hamas.” (Barak Ravid, Operation “Cast Lead”: Israeli Air Force strike followed months of planning , Haaretz, December 27, 200
http://deutsche.wordpress.com/2009/0...aza-streifens/

This operation was planned even before the cease fire was even negotiated! How evil is that?

It gets better:


Here you see a graphic, showing the ammount of rockets. As you see: Rockets were close to zero during the cease fire, but in november something happened. I tell you what: Israel killed 6 hamas members, and a week later another 6 were murdered. Israel got what it wanted:
Rockets were fired as a response.

This graphic is taken from the official foreign ministry website of the Israelis.
As this pic illustrates too clearly who broke the ceasefire, the Israelis took it off.http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA

But as the internet never forgets, a clever guy saved the site in it´s original state on a korean server, you can check it here:
http://www.donga.com/e-county/sssboa...em=&p_category

Please keep in mind, that those "rockets" are not MISSSILES as which they are often called in the media. Those are unguided flying things. Out of my memory, 8500 rockets fired in 3 years caused 20 deaths. Thats ridicoulous.
Stones seem to be more effective.

History repeats itself as it seems:
Warsow

Today:



Actual influence on politics- an anekdote to underline the massive influence on our politics of these people:
Olmert says he talked Bush out of cease-fire vote
It was his persuasion, the prime minister tells an audience, that kept the U.S. from supporting a U.N. resolution calling for an end to violence in Gaza. Washington doesn't dispute the claim.
By Paul Richter
January 13, 2009
Reporting from Washington -- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert boasted Monday that he successfully pressured President Bush last week to reverse course on U.S. diplomacy over fighting in Gaza, in an episode that could sharpen tensions between the close allies at a sensitive moment.

Speaking to an audience in Ashkelon, Israel, Olmert said he had called Bush last Thursday and convinced him that the United States should not vote for a pending U.N. Security Council resolution urging a cease-fire in the Gaza Strip.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,6331793.story


And if you really wanna see a liar and a hypocrite, spend another 3minutes on this one- a rare moment of "journalism" these days:


http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=zIQZ1-RFq6A

Israels leading members aswell as it´s generals should be brought to the hague, and then be sentenced to death, as it´s common pratice with war criminals.

[alhoon]

UN has generally been always anti-Israeli, so i am not surprised.

You're joking right?
UN is led by USA politics. It's pro-Israeli.
UN keeps a kind peace of peace that favors Israel far more than the Palestinians.
Also, UN allow Israelis to attack Palestinians saying "You shouldn't do that! You're baaaaad boys!". All the while, USA sells weapons to Israel, accusing others for selling weapons to the Palestinians.

If the UN were neutral, they would have landed troops and stopped the terrible killings in Gaza strip and bring some of the Israeli generals there to trial as war criminals.

If the UN were anti-Israeli, Israel wouldn't survive the wrath of its neighbors.
While many of the Palestinians and many of the Israeli people just want peace, to live without wondering when they will lose a friend or child to an attack, their leaders are warmongers.

There is no question that Israel commits war crimes, and Israel isn't even denying them - they just justify their war crimes by saying "the terrorists are making them do it" but that would never stand in a court of law.
Hamas also commits war crimes of course, but that still doesn't justify Israel.

Why my country is still trading with Israel is beyond me.
Any other country would be faced with a trade embargo after doing just 10% of the stuff Israel does.

I agree.

[fieldmarshal]

You're joking right?
UN is led by USA politics. It's pro-Israeli.

No its not. The US also only has a so-so relationship with the UN. Its biased against Israel because, most of the complaints against Israel have been put forward by the Arab members of the UN, and Muslim countries play a far more active role in the UN than most western countries. Thats why i think the UN fails because most western countries don't care about the UN or support its many missions.

UN keeps a kind peace of peace that favors Israel far more than the Palestinians.

How so?...All the UN does in the region is provide aid to the Palestinians.

Also, UN allow Israelis to attack Palestinians saying "You shouldn't do that! You're baaaaad boys!". All the while, USA sells weapons to Israel, accusing others for selling weapons to the Palestinians.

The UN does not allow any side to attack anyone else, i mean they have no way of enforcing anything they say, thats why its a useless organization for everything except for aid and refugee camps.

If the UN were neutral, they would have landed troops and stopped the terrible killings in Gaza strip and bring some of the Israeli generals there to trial as war criminals.

You mean like the terrible killings they stopped in Africa and the Balkans..yeah just like that.

If the UN were anti-Israeli, Israel wouldn't survive the wrath of its neighbors.

So you are saying, if the UN is anti-Israeli, they would just let Israel's neighbors attack it?...i thought something like that happened a few times already..and considering the results, i think its the neighbors themselves who are keeping away, not the UN keeping them away.

[Erik]

No its not. The US also only has a so-so relationship with the UN. Its biased against Israel because, most of the complaints against Israel have been put forward by the Arab members of the UN, and Muslim countries play a far more active role in the UN than most western countries. Thats why i think the UN fails because most western countries don't care about the UN or support its many missions.

No complaints against Israel has ever been passed into a resolution, mostly because USA has veto power.

And most Western countries do care a lot about the UN, and so did America right up to 2003 when the UN refused to support the US invasion of Iraq.

[fieldmarshal]

No complaints against Israel has ever been passed into a resolution, mostly because USA has veto power.

I thought Israel has one of the highest numbers of resolutions against any country.

And most Western countries do care a lot about the UN, and so did America right up to 2003 when the UN refused to support the US invasion of Iraq.

No they don't, The four most influential members, US, Russia, France and China, have been doing their own thing regardless of what the UN says.

[mongrel]

Looks like a my bad then.


Curious to know why no comment on the full report, which itemizes the damage done, children killed and so forth. The article I presume was churnalised.

http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/...ull_report.pdf

[Icefrisco]

Very interesting. I was surprised to see in the article that the only media that dared to question the UN statement was a Canadian newspaper and that this article was from an Australian newspaper. I thought only us Americans were brainwashed with Pro-Israeli propoganda...

Anyway, I am honestly surprised that the shell hit outside the school. I knew that it wasn't fired at the school on purprose but I trusted that the UN wouldn't lie about where an shell landed. Up until now I really haven't bought into the "UN hates Israel" ideology but maybe the UN does hate Israel.

[danzig]

Very interesting. I was surprised to see in the article that the only media that dared to question the UN statement was a Canadian newspaper and that this article was from an Australian newspaper. I thought only us Americans were brainwashed with Pro-Israeli propoganda...

Anyway, I am honestly surprised that the shell hit outside the school. I knew that it wasn't fired at the school on purprose but I trusted that the UN wouldn't lie about where an shell landed. Up until now I really haven't bought into the "UN hates Israel" ideology but maybe the UN does hate Israel.

I still wouldnt buy into the UN *hates* Israel just that it has a slanted view due...Id be more interested in the person who made the initial report to the UN, whichever UN offical reported it is the one that should be looked at as suspect. Lesson that should be learned here by both sides is to not jump at first reporting....of course most of twc will ignore that and continue to do it but oh well.

[Erik]

I trusted that the UN wouldn't lie about where an shell landed. Up until now I really haven't bought into the "UN hates Israel" ideology but maybe the UN does hate Israel.

Lie?

Or perhaps the UN simply couldn't see for themselves where exactly the shell landed because -uhm- it was a freaking warzone?

Anyways, shelling a school isn't a war crime anyways.
What IS a war crime is:
-Shooting at ambulances clearly marked with a red cross or a red crescent moon. (Even IF they might contain terrorists)
-Shooting at civilians (even IF the enemy is using them as a human shield).
-Denying access to the Red Cross.
-Denying transport of aid goods.
-Using white phosphorous in a civilian area (again, even if it's not aimed at civilians).

There is no question that Israel commits war crimes, and Israel isn't even denying them - they just justify their war crimes by saying "the terrorists are making them do it" but that would never stand in a court of law.
Hamas also commits war crimes of course, but that still doesn't justify Israel.

Why my country is still trading with Israel is beyond me.
Any other country would be faced with a trade embargo after doing just 10% of the stuff Israel does.

Israels leading members aswell as it´s generals should be brought to the hague, and then be sentenced to death, as it´s common pratice with war criminals.

I don't think the The Hague tribunal can issue the death penalty.
It's located in a civilized country, after all.
Life imprisonment on the other hand....

[danzig]

Lie?

Or perhaps the UN simply couldn't see for themselves where exactly the shell landed because -uhm- it was a freaking warzone?

Then shouldnt it had refrained from *any* comment or implication? It didnt however.....

Anyways, shelling a school isn't a war crime anyways.
What IS a war crime is:
-Shooting at ambulances clearly marked with a red cross or a red crescent moon. (Even IF they might contain terrorists)
-Shooting at civilians (even IF the enemy is using them as a human shield).
-Denying access to the Red Cross.
-Denying transport of aid goods.
-Using white phosphorous in a civilian area (again, even if it's not aimed at civilians).

And here we go taking apart the original post and interjecting a bunch of other things that really dont have anything to do with this specific issue. Standard mudpit nonsense, "who cares if Israel isnt guilty here cause they are guilty of other stuff!".

[Erik]

Then shouldnt it had refrained from *any* comment or implication? It didnt however.....

Yes, and that's why they are now apologizing.

And here we go taking apart the original post and interjecting a bunch of other things that really dont have anything to do with this specific issue. Standard mudpit nonsense, "who cares if Israel isnt guilty here cause they are guilty of other stuff!".

Yes, it's called an on-topic discussion.

[danzig]

Yes, and that's why they are now apologizing.

Oh they are sorry, well then its all ok then! Bush was sorry about that little wmd thing too I mean so what if the damage was already done both were/are sorry!

Yes, it's called an on-topic discussion.

Yes clearly.