British secret agents tortured at least one of the suspects held at Guantanamo Bay, some Britsh ministers wanted to expose that fact, and the U.S threatened to cut all intelligence ties with the UK if they did

[Roman Rapper]

The former shadow home secretary David Davis today demanded a Commons statement from the Government on accusations that British agents tortured a man held in Guantanamo Bay.

He also urged the Government to address an alleged US threat to withdraw intelligence sharing relations with Britain if details of the Binyam Mohamed case are released.

Mr Davies, raising a point of order, described it as "a matter of utmost national importance".

He told the Commons: "At 1.45pm today Lord Justice Thomas issued an astonishing ruling in the case of Binyam Mohamed, a British resident currently being held at Guantanamo bay and who has made an accusation of British involvement in torture inflicted on him while held in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Morocco.

"The ruling implies that torture has taken place in the Mohamed case, that British agencies may have been complicit, and most important of all, that the United States Government has threatened our High Courts that if it releases this information, the US Government will withdraw its intelligence co-operation with the United Kingdom on matters of security.

"The judge rules that there is a strong public interest that this information is put in the public domain even though it is politically embarrassing."

Mr Davis told MPs: "To quote directly from the judgment: 'It is plainly right that the details of the admissions in relation to the treatment of Binyam Mohamed as reported by officials of the United States Government should be brought into the public domain.

"'We did not consider that a democracy governed by the rule of law would expect a court in another democracy to suppress a summary of the evidence contained in reports by its own officials relevant to allegations of torture and cruel, inhumane, or degrading treatment, politically embarrassing though it might be.

"'We had no reason to anticipate there would be made a threat of the gravity of the kind made by the United States Government that it would reconsider its intelligence sharing relationship, when all the considerations in relation to open justice pointed to us providing a limited but important summary of the reports."'

Mr Davis said another part of the report "goes on to say that the Foreign Secretary has confirmed that this threat still remains under President Obama's new Government".

He called on the Deputy Speaker Sylvia Heal to "make representations" to the Foreign Secretary or Home Secretary to make a Commons statement today "about the involvement of British agents overseas in torture, and the right the United States Government has to block a British court from disclosing information given to it".

[danzig]

Evidently our resident master of words and rap artist misinterprets the meaning of the phrase "ruling implies" with "british agents tortured at least one". I bow to the master of wordplay. Maybe the Brits did torture him maybe they didnt but clearly what your article doesnt say what you think it did.

[OccamR]

It's obviously a conspiracy by our Freemason overlords.

[Roman Rapper]

Don't be glib about this Danzig; it is a startling revelation.

Binyam Mohamed has elsewhere reportedly alleged that British agents were personally involved in the torture. I have been following this issue for a while now.

Do you know, by any chance, what his "crime" was? He was caught at the airport trying to leave Pakistan.

That's it. That's all he did. MI5 picked him up, suspected that he had traveled there from his home in west London to be trained by terrorists, and then handed him over to the Americans.

He has been held for seven years without charge and has been repeatedly tortured during that time.

[danzig]

Don't be glib about this Danzig; it is a startling revelation.

How am I being glib about you knowing misrepresenting a news article on the subject? As I said MAYBE he was tortured, I dont know and the article you partial copied doesnt say he was it said the concern was that it IMPLIES abuse. For all we know this could one of those many stubborn, makes no logical sense at all Bush admin moves to reject something being released simply because someone wanted it to be. You however decided to jump right ahead declare he was tortured (and imply he may not have been the only one with the 'atleast one' thing despite nothing to suggest it). As I said you could be right, you might be right, hell there is a good chance you might be right but it doesnt change the fact what you posted doesnt support what you claim and that you are misrepresenting what the article SAYS with what you BELIEVE.

[Roman Rapper]

How am I being glib about you knowing misrepresenting a news article on the subject? As I said MAYBE he was tortured, I dont know and the article you partial copied doesnt say he was it said the concern was that it IMPLIES abuse. For all we know this could one of those many stubborn, makes no logical sense at all Bush admin moves to reject something being released simply because someone wanted it to be. You however decided to jump right ahead declare he was tortured (and imply he may not have been the only one with the 'atleast one' thing despite nothing to suggest it). As I said you could be right, you might be right, hell there is a good chance you might be right but it doesnt change the fact what you posted doesnt support what you claim and that you are misrepresenting what the article SAYS with what you BELIEVE.

What is not in dispute, of course, is the fact that the Americans threatened to cut all intelligence ties with the UK if the reports into their intelligence gathering techniques were made public. Miliband himself informed the judges of that fact.

For goodness sake...if they were not savagely torturing the prisoners as a matter of routine then what else do you think they would have to hide? To the extent that they would threaten to cut all ties?

Everybody knows that the U.S have been torturing their prisoners and it is now becoming more and more apparent that MI5 have been complicit in that torture.

[Quadratus]

What is not in dispute, of course, is the fact that the Americans threatened to cut all intelligence ties with the UK if the reports into their intelligence gathering techniques were made public. Miliband himself informed the judges of that fact.

For goodness sake...if they were not savagely torturing the prisoners as a matter of routine then what else do you think they would have to hide? To the extent that they would threaten to cut all ties?

Everybody knows that the U.S have been torturing their prisoners and it is now becoming more and more apparent that MI5 have been complicit in that torture.

Remind you that these so called "Prisoners" are TERRORISTS.

Last time I checked they started "The war on Terrorism"

[danzig]

What is not in dispute, of course, is the fact that the Americans threatened to cut all intelligence ties with the UK if the reports into their intelligence gathering techniques were made public. Miliband himself informed the judges of that fact.

For goodness sake...if they were not savagely torturing the prisoners as a matter of routine then what else do you think they would have to hide? To the extent that they would threaten to cut all ties?

Everybody knows that the U.S have been torturing their prisoners and it is now becoming more and more apparent that MI5 have been complicit in that torture.

Um the reason I stated above? Because it was the Bush admin and in case you hadnt noticed being a dick seemed to be a requirement for the admin. And again Ill say thats fine but you misrepresented the article so stop trying to argue with me about the "evilz" of what went on because Im not playing that argument, just your little melodramatic play here.

Anyway I think you write a rap on this subject.

[Last Roman]

Anyway I think you write a rap on this subject.

dont encourage him. it only gives him false hope.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Empi Rapper and his usual conspiracy of the day. No, it's about time we saw the truth and stopped bowing to our NWO overlords.

[s.rwitt]

Empi Rapper and his usual conspiracy of the day. No, it's about time we saw the truth and stopped bowing to our NWO overlords.

****ing shapeshifters....

Where is David Icke when he is most needed?

[Erik]

I think this will be a good test for Obama.

Will he really cut with the old ways and allow the Brits to openly investigate this issue?
Or will he choose sides with the old regime and the majority of American citizens who want to keep this secret so they can continue torturing people in secret prison camps?

Remind you that these so called "Prisoners" are TERRORISTS.

Remind you that 95% of those so called "Terrorists" were SOLD to the Americans by locals without even the slightest piece of evidence:

Just because one person says you are a terrorist doesn't make it so.
Especially when that same person gets $100,000 for this "information".

But even those that are terrorists deserve better.
Americans condone torture and violations of about every human right that civilized countries recognize, is it really that evil to fly some airplanes into their buildings?
What if 9/11 hadn't happened?
How many more wars would America have started to satisfy the greedy WTC workers if they didn't have to fear any consequences?
How much MORE death and destruction would have happened if the Americans in the WTC were still alive today?
If a terrorist killed Hitler in 1938, would he be considered evil too?

I do not condone terrorism, but things aren't black and white in a world where BOTH sides commit atrocities.

[s.rwitt]

Or will he choose sides with the old regime and the majority of American citizens who want to keep this secret so they can continue torturing people in secret prison camps?

WHAT????

[removeduser_487563287433]

I don't know... it's not unusual for the US to withold information they're technically required to share but a threat of withdrawing intelligence sharing would be quite disasterous for the Americans as well as the British, and I don't really find it credible.

[Roman Rapper]

I don't know... it's not unusual for the US to withold information they're technically required to share but a threat of withdrawing intelligence sharing would be quite disasterous for the Americans as well as the British, and I don't really find it credible.

I don't know how it could possibly be any clearer that the U.S did make that threat against us. Here is what the ruling said:

"'We had no reason to anticipate there would be made a threat of the gravity of the kind made by the United States Government that it would reconsider its intelligence sharing relationship, when all the considerations in relation to open justice pointed to us providing a limited but important summary of the reports."'

Mr Davis said another part of the report "goes on to say that the Foreign Secretary has confirmed that this threat still remains under President Obama's new Government".

There you are. David Miliband himself informed the Judges that the threat had been made.

Let's be clear: the judges found that it was in the public interest that we be told about this British citizen being tortured by the U.S and our own agents. It is only the threat from the Americans that has prevented them from making all details public.

[Ahlerich]

the american secret service is nothing without james bond helping them out !

[Musthavename]

Remind you that these so called "Prisoners" are TERRORISTS.

Last time I checked they started "The war on Terrorism"

They're "suspected" terrorists, not convicts. Likewise, torture shouldn't be used to gain information on anyone.

I was watching Newsnight last night and some American was defending Guantanamo, saying that "1 out of 10 of every man released from Guantanamo joins groups and fights against America". Doesn't that imply that the remaining 9 were innocent? Surely a 10% "success" rate is pretty poor for grounds of torturing people, and even if they were terrorists, torturing them is not the right way to convict them.

[removeduser_487563287433]

The Foreign Secretary has in fact said that no such threat was ever made. Nor is this man a British citizen.

[Каие]

He's still a British resident therefore our responsibility. I believe this whole furore is the British court accusing MI6 of helping in the torture, and want that information released....but by releasing that information of MI6 torture, that would also show and confirm without a doubt that the US is torturing. It's hard to pass legislation saying cutting people with razor blades and putting acidic liquid on it isn't torture. This convention where America holds the UK to ransom via intelligence links is actually widely known, and expected.

Obama, can we have some of that change too please?