France to host German troops in a post-WWII first

[Darsh]

AFP - French President Nicolas Sarkozy and German Chancellor Angela Merkel confirmed Wednesday that a German battalion will shortly be stationed on French soil for the first time since World War II.

"France will host a German unit permanently on its soil," the two leaders wrote in a joint statement published by lemonde.fr, stressing "the historic significance of this new step in Franco-German friendship."

The hundreds of German troops will be serving in the Franco-German brigade set up in 1989 and which currently has 2,300 French soldiers and 2,800 German forces stationed side-by-side in southwest Germany.

Sarkozy and Merkel were to meet this weekend at a security conference in the Bavarian capital Munich and might then reveal details of the agreement, such as where exactly the German troops would be stationed.

Der Spiegel magazine reported last month that 500 German soldiers would be stationed in the border town of Colmar but reports in the French press cited Strasbourg, Metz or e as possible bases.

German troops occupied much of France during World War II and the eastern Alsace-Lorraine region has a patchwork history of annexation and occupation under both countries.

On the website of French daily Le Monde the two leaders also called for "real co-operation" between NATO and the European Union, saying the "strategic partnership" between them was not strong enough.

"To our great regret, the 'strategic partnership' between NATO and the EU has fallen short of our expectations due to disagreements that persist between certain nations," they wrote.

After meeting Saturday at the Munich security conference, an annual meeting called the "Davos of defence," the two were to celebrate the 60th anniversary of NATO on April 3 and 4 on both sides of the Rhine, at Strasbourg and Kehl.

The Franco-German Brigade was set up by then French president Francois Mitterrand and German chancellor Helmut Kohl to increase military cooperation between the two former enemies.

There are German officers based in Strasbourg in eastern France who are engaged with the NATO mission Eurocorps, but no German military unit has been stationed in the country since the end of World War II over 60 years ago.

There are also regular exchanges between the two countries including German officers who study at French defence academies and helicopter pilots who train in France.

http://www.france24.com/en/20090204-...st-wwii-first-

The time of a real EU army won't be too far.

[Dr. Croccer]

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[gojira]

Screw the EU. The EU is nothing but a stepstone towards the New World Order, such was an european army. Merkel is a Usraeli puppet and Sarkozy is a zionist. Screw them.

Europe´s strenght is the variety of it´s nations and cultures, dont form a super body out of it. It serves nothing but imperialism.

Am I the only one here who sees the orwellian blocks develop here? We must not support a world order as presented in "1984", but that´s exactly the way we are headin´.

I am german and I say: Let the troops stay home where they belong to. Same for the other troops all around the world, namely Kosovo, Afghanistan a.s.o.


As a german I say this:

Merkel is a traitor and should be brought to a court, same as the rest of the parliament.

Germany has no constitution
Germany still is occupied by allied forces
Germany still has to knee down on occupant´s laws and war laws.


The Federal Republic of germany is not the successor of the German Reich, which never stopped to exist, as verfied by our highest court (Bundesverfassungsgericht) in the 1970ies.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

n a
judgement(Court-File-Ref.-No.: 2 BvF 1/73) of the
"Bundesverfassungsge-richt"(Federal Constitutional Court) of Germany
from
31 July 1973. The Court judged that the "Deutsche
Reich" still legally does exist in its borders of 1937
according to International Law (Voelkerrecht) and thus
the Federal Republic of Germany is just a transitional
solution. Please feel free to search for the document
on the Web-Page of the "Bundesverfassungsgericht":
http://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/

The Federal republic of germany, and all its parliaments, courts, appointees are in judicial respect anything but disposers of the German Reich.

Hang the traitors and reestablish the german Reich as a sekular, peaceful (real) democracy the way it was intented to when the Weimar Republic was established.

Germany is not a sovereign state.
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A little off topic, but some facts you should know bout germany when discussing it´s foreign policy.

[Visna]

-insert nonsense here-

Merkel is a traitor and should be brought to a court, same as the rest of the parliament.

-insert a bit more nonsense here-

Hang the traitors and resistablish the german Reich as a sekular, peaceful (real) democracy the way it was intented to when the Weimar Republic was established.

-and close it off with some more nonsense-

Amidst all the nonsense I found this bit fairly interesting. So let me get this straight. Are you suggesting prosecuting and hanging a whole parlaiment of democratically elected politicians?
Meh. won't bother discussing it with you, take it up with a moderator. Reported.

[RVFVS]

Screw the EU. The EU is nothing but a stepstone towards the New World Order, such was an european army. Merkel is a Usraeli puppet and Sarkozy is a zionist. Screw them.

Europe´s strenght is the variety of it´s nations and cultures, dont form a super body out of it. It serves nothing but imperialism.

Am I the only one here who sees the orwellian blocks develop here? We must not support a world order as presented in "1984", but that´s exactly the way we are headin´.

I am german and I say: Let the troops stay home where they belong to. Same for the other troops all around the world, namely Kosovo, Afghanistan a.s.o.


As a german I say this:

Merkel is a traitor and should be brought to a court, same as the rest of the parliament.

Germany has no constitution
Germany still is occupied by allied forces
Germany still has to knee down on occupant´s laws and war laws.


The Federal Republic of germany is not the successor of the German Reich, which never stopped to exist, as verfied by our highest court (Bundesverfassungsgericht) in the 1970ies.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

n a
judgement(Court-File-Ref.-No.: 2 BvF 1/73) of the
"Bundesverfassungsge-richt"(Federal Constitutional Court) of Germany
from
31 July 1973. The Court judged that the "Deutsche
Reich" still legally does exist in its borders of 1937
according to International Law (Voelkerrecht) and thus
the Federal Republic of Germany is just a transitional
solution. Please feel free to search for the document
on the Web-Page of the "Bundesverfassungsgericht":
http://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/

The Federal republic of germany, and all its parliaments, courts, appointees are in judicial respect anything but disposers of the German Reich.

Hang the traitors and reestablish the german Reich as a sekular, peaceful (real) democracy the way it was intented to when the Weimar Republic was established.

Germany is not a sovereign state.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
A little off topic, but some facts you should know bout germany when discussing it´s foreign policy.

Bah! You know what? If I were the allies and had the choice to, let the germans who ahd caused 2 wws be free and independent...or control them and make sure they dont attack the world again...I would choose the former

[Ältester der Motten]

Hang the traitors and reestablish the german Reich as a sekular, peaceful (real) democracy the way it was intented to when the Weimar Republic was established.

I find it quite depressing to see you're actually commemorating the Weimar republic.

It hurts my heart.

[Lord de Lyonesse]

Screw the EU. The EU is nothing but a stepstone towards the New World Order, such was an european army. Merkel is a Usraeli puppet and Sarkozy is a zionist. Screw them.

Europe´s strenght is the variety of it´s nations and cultures, dont form a super body out of it. It serves nothing but imperialism.

Am I the only one here who sees the orwellian blocks develop here? We must not support a world order as presented in "1984", but that´s exactly the way we are headin´.

I am german and I say: Let the troops stay home where they belong to. Same for the other troops all around the world, namely Kosovo, Afghanistan a.s.o.


As a german I say this:

Merkel is a traitor and should be brought to a court, same as the rest of the parliament.

Haha well maybe but i dont think she would like that

Germany has no constitution
Germany still is occupied by allied forces
Germany still has to knee down on occupant´s laws and war laws.

We just dont trust Germany i guess and i think our British troops will probably remain there for a good time anyway

The Federal Republic of germany is not the successor of the German Reich, which never stopped to exist, as verfied by our highest court (Bundesverfassungsgericht) in the 1970ies.

I think your right though the E.U should only serve as a way to stop nations declaring war on eachoter not a super power because then Oceania is beging to take shape..

[MathiasOfAthens]

Sounds like good news.

On a side note what exactly do they do besides patrol.

And I know someone will joke about German officers studying in French Defence Academies.
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[Thanatos]

I don't understand why you need an EU army so incredibly badly. What ever happened to each nation providing for itself militarily?

[fieldmarshal]

I don't understand why you need an EU army so incredibly badly. What ever happened to each nation providing for itself militarily?

Considering that France is one of the worlds largest arms supplier, it would be advantageous to them to have a EU army. Thats why they are the ones who are the most aggressive about perusing this EU army. I mean don't take this as France bashing, anyone in Frances position would have done the same.

[Thanatos]

Considering that France is one of the worlds largest arms supplier, it would be advantageous to them to have a EU army. Thats why they are the ones who are the most aggressive about perusing this EU army. I mean don't take this as France bashing, anyone in Frances position would have done the same.

In other words, they're whoring their sovereignty out for money.

Lovely.

[Faramir D'Andunie]

A joint Eu army that would rush to the protection of any member that gets threatened/requires assistance would be a desirable thing. A measure of security for the smaller members of the EU that do not have the military might of countries like France and Uk.

[Thanatos]

A joint Eu army that would rush to the protection of any member that gets threatened/requires assistance would be a desirable thing. A measure of security for the smaller members of the EU that do not have the military might of countries like France and Uk.

And the EU will achieve this, where the LoN and the UN have failed, how? Sure, it looks nice on paper, but that doesn't mean it's going to work necessarily.

[Tudor]

I don't understand why you need an EU army so incredibly badly. What ever happened to each nation providing for itself militarily?

Because except for the big three (UK, Germany & France) no other European country is large or powerful enough to hold its own in case of a majour World conflict, and even for those three it would be a stretch. For a while, NATO has offered the collective protection for all the Western World. During the last 10 years, we have all realized that in matters of foreign policy our views differ from those of the US more often than not, and the US is the biggest NATO power. Most our countries don't see eye to eye with Russia either, most of the time. That's why many, politicians and citizens alike feel the need for a eurocentric defense superstructure, focused on defense and conventional warfare capabilities.

Simply put, in a World with China, Russia, India and the USA, a military like, say, the Dutch national army no longer feels like adequate protection.

[Celsius]

I don't understand why you need an EU army so incredibly badly. What ever happened to each nation providing for itself militarily?

I agree. If a nation cannot defend itself without the help of the entire continent, it does not need to be an existing nation.

[Ahlerich]

I agree. If a nation cannot defend itself without the help of the entire continent, it does not need to be an existing nation.

its not about defensive force its about political leverage.
and by politics i mean talky talky and not war as a continuation of politics with different means

as well u could see the eu as a alliance and a possible later eu army as allied forces that are just melted together better to improve its cordination

[Rapax]

I agree. If a nation cannot defend itself without the help of the entire continent, it does not need to be an existing nation.

Ding-dong, the dark ages are over. This is nothing more than an alliance like they have existed for thousands of years in human history. Nation or peoples grouping together to commonly defend against outside threats.

[Markas]

Well as long as they aren't stationed in the Ardennes near to a Highway to Paris it should be okay.

[Farnan]

Well as long as they aren't stationed in the Ardennes near to a Highway to Paris it should be okay.

Now the French trees have a purpose again.

[Erwin Rommel]

Well as long as they aren't stationed in the Ardennes near to a Highway to Paris it should be okay.

Why? The place is perfect to roll in with my tanks