Nurse faces sack for offering to pray for patient

[Pfundner]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/fe...ayer-suspended

A nurse was suspended after offering to pray for the recovery of an elderly patient, it emerged yesterday. Caroline Petrie, 45, was accused of failing to show a commitment to equality and diversity after the incident and is awaiting the outcome of a disciplinary hearing.
The community nurse, who lives in Weston-super-Mare and carries out home visits, has been suspended by North Somerset primary care trust and could lose her job. Petrie, a Baptist who has two children, said she had not forced her beliefs on anyone, but had simply asked if the woman would like a prayer said for her.

What a load of

This kind of thing really gets on my nerves

Nursing is a human profession, why are nurses expected to behave like robots? For a christian prayer is an extremely important and sacred thing, the patient should be honoured and pleased that the nurse has offered to pray for them. Whether they believe in God or not, it shows how much the nurse values them.

ing beurocrats

[removeduser_487563287433]

I can see why the PCT would want to take action on this. If a nurse offered to pray for me I would be terrified that my chances were rather poor.

[RZZZA]

well, when i go to a hospital or clinic I expect science and actual medicine, not religious mumbo jumbo. that being said, if this particular nurse did everything required of her and offered to pray on the side instead of in substitution to actual nursing, then i find nothing wrong with it.

[Pfundner]

can see why the PCT would want to take action on this. If a nurse offered to pray for me I would be terrified that my chances were rather poor.

Christians pray all the time, and in all situations. Why should being prayed for be any more terrifying than being told you are going to have chemotherapy.

well, when i go to a hospital or clinic I expect science and actual medicine, not religious mumbo jumbo.

My point is that the nurse felt that praying was just as good as "actual medicine" (wtf does "actual" mean anyway, you cant deny that alternative/spiritual medecine has been seen to work in some cases), so why on earth should the patient feel threatened?

As far as the nurse is concerned she is giving the patient the best treatment she has to offer, how much more caring can you get? Please explain to me why she should therefore get the sack.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Christians pray all the time, and in all situations. Why should being prayed for be any more terrifying than being told you are going to have chemotherapy.

Nurses treat people medically all the time, and I would expect any nurse to try that route first and keep her mythology to her bloody self.

[Yosemite]

Nurses treat people medically all the time, and I would expect any nurse to try that route first and keep her mythology to her bloody self.

guess what

she asked for the prayer after the operations


perhaps the patient wanted a blowjob instead, felt deep deception, went on a high horse of :wub:, to create a cluster of wasted time and money

[Heinz Guderian]

My point is that the nurse felt that praying was just as good as "actual medicine" (wtf does "actual" mean anyway, you cant deny that alternative/spiritual medecine has been seen to work in some cases), so why on earth should the patient feel threatened?
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If a qualified nurse thought that prayer was as good as "actual medicine" she is insane. Pretty sure "actual medicine" and "actual surgery" often saves lives.

[Pfundner]

If a qualified nurse thought that prayer was as good as "actual medicine" she is insane. Pretty sure "actual medicine" and "actual surgery" often saves lives.

im not getting into a conversation about how effective God is. People could argue that God gave us the skills to do surgery and that he gave us the chemicals to make "actual medicine". By praying for the patient the nurse could simply be asking god to enable the surgeons, doctors and nurses to treat the patient effectively. But like i said thats not what this thread is about.

My point is that the nurse was giving the best form of care she thought she could give, so why the should she get the sack? How long will it be until every ounce of "human-ness" is sucked out of the profession and doctors become so constrained by regulations that they no longer give care, which in many cases is just as important as cure.

[jsktrogdor]

im not getting into a conversation about how effective God is. People could argue that God gave us the skills to do surgery and that he gave us the chemicals to make "actual medicine". By praying for the patient the nurse could simply be asking god to enable the surgeons, doctors and nurses to treat the patient effectively. But like i said thats not what this thread is about.

My point is that the nurse was giving the best form of care she thought she could give, so why the should she get the sack? How long will it be until every ounce of "human-ness" is sucked out of the profession and doctors become so constrained by regulations that they no longer give care, which in many cases is just as important as cure.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=222785

[danzig]

My point is that the nurse felt that praying was just as good as "actual medicine" (wtf does "actual" mean anyway, you cant deny that alternative/spiritual medecine has been seen to work in some cases), so why on earth should the patient feel threatened?

Well its not like the nurse offered to pray INSTEAD of just in addition to, Id have issues if the nurse asked would you like medication today or would you rather I pray for you. Clearly she didnt do this so its moot

Good. The Nurse should have been sacked. I'm no Christan why should she pray for me. I'm offended now.

Then you are far too easily offended, I will pray for you on this.

[Pfundner]

Then you are far too easily offended, I will pray for you on this.

+rep

[Kiljan Arslan]

Well its not like the nurse offered to pray INSTEAD of just in addition to, Id have issues if the nurse asked would you like medication today or would you rather I pray for you. Clearly she didnt do this so its moot



Then you are far too easily offended, I will pray for you on this.

Good one!
And she shouldn't face being sacked for this. The patient is just a angry old coot.

[Heinz Guderian]

The community nurse, who lives in Weston-super-Mare and carries out home visits, has been suspended by North Somerset primary care trust and could lose her job

she should pray to get here job back. God caused the problem, he can get on and fix it.

[Hub'ite]

she should pray to get here job back. God caused the problem, he can get on and fix it.

Because a nurse asking a patient if they want to pray is the end of the world.

[Thanatos]

This is just plain ridiculous. If the lady wants to pray, let her pray. Stupid political correctness.

[KaerMorhen]

This is just plain ridiculous. If the lady wants to pray, let her pray. Stupid political correctness.

and it followers!!!

[Heinz Guderian]

I wonder how the PCT found out? I pray for people all the time at work. I was working at a rather large bank and the HR guy said he needed to recruit some more risk assessment guys specialising in the Gulf region and asked if i knew anyone. I said that i would pray to God to find some decent people for him. Later on, some auditors asked me if i knew the financial security protocols at the establishment, i said yes, God had guided me to the answer through prayer and through more prayer i would give them an answer shortly.

They thought i was insane. ing Deutsche Bank. They can stick their heathen temp placement.

[The Good]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/fe...ayer-suspended
What a load of

This kind of thing really gets on my nerves

Nursing is a human profession, why are nurses expected to behave like robots? For a Christian prayer is an extremely important and sacred thing, the patient should be honoured and pleased that the nurse has offered to pray for them. Whether they believe in God or not, it shows how much the nurse values them.

ing bureaucrats

I think what she offered to do was very nice, and she put it politely. If she offered a prayer for a patient thirty years ago, hardly anyone would bother her for it, and it almost certainly wouldn't get her fired. This is just an example of what's wrong with political correctness. I'm a Christian, but I wouldn't be offended if a Muslim, Jew, Hindu, or Buddhist (or other) offered a prayer (or what they would consider one to be), though from my understanding it would be spiritually ineffective.

[danzig]

Elderly patients are going to be more inclined to be open to a prayer, see no harm in a nurse *asking* the patient if she would like to be prayed for. The fact the old bag decided to report the nurse for it is imo pretty low, she said no thanks and that was it according to article. Next time the nurse should ask if the old lady wants a pillow over the head instead.

[Da Skinna]

Way too far, this political correctness crap.

...haaardly the worst thing for someone to pray for you, or just offer.