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    Stop Trying To Take On The World
    How You Can Successfully Create and FINISH Your Own Total War Mod
    (aka MasterOfNone's/Dol Guldur's/Palantir's Retirement Rant)

    by MasterOfNone


    I shouldn't let it affect me. But it does. The waste, the lost work, the broken dreams. Well, I'm retiring and so I thought I'd share a few parting comments...

    I've been modding Total War games since the end of 2004. I have seen the announcement of many mods for Rome Total War, its expansions and the more recent Medieval II Total War & Kingdoms. I have not worked out the stats, but I think it's fair to say that very few of even the hosted mods actually make it to completion. After a while one can tell, almost as soon as a mod is announced, whether it will make it or not. I've been wrong of course, but not very often.

    I should like to say that there will always be exceptions to the "rules" I mention below, but they are few and far between. In reading this you'd be wise to consider yourself unexceptional I say this because, with a lot of effort and time, mods that I would have said had no chance of ever being fully finished and stable were or are being actually completed - though I can think of just two as I write.

    Why do some mods fail while others succeed? I hope to share some thoughts on this here, but before I do that you might be wondering what gives me the expertise to write such an article? Well, let me briefly outline my work in the realm of TW modding:

    * Late 04 - Mid 2005 : Heavily involved in research, map design, general design as well as learning coding on the Fourth Age dev. team.
    * Mid 2005 - End 2007 : Heavily involved in game mechanics/coding research as well as acting as Coding Manager and Build Manager for FATW. The last year or so of my tenure with FATW I kept the mod going and alive virtually alone due to the real-life issues and health of other members. Also learned many new skills - in fact just about everything about modding TW except for 3D work.

    During the latter part of 2007 and into 2008 I released the following modifications:

    * FATW - The New Shadow 2.0b (BI 1.6) - consistent winner of favorite fantasy mod & the only TW mod in the Top 100 on Moddb.com in 2007 awards. Featured in PCGamer (UK) Total PCGaming magazine and a best-selling German magazine
    * The Multi-Mod Sampler (with Makanyane) (RTW 1.5) - this later made it onto the PC Gamer (UK) coverdisc for March 2008 and then again in February 2009
    * The Dwarven Blunderbuss (RTW 1.5) - well, it's good to have some fun sometimes
    * Gods & Fighting Men (Alexander) - featured on StrategyInformer as the mod for Alexander
    * Title of Liberty (BI 1.6)
    * Viking Invasion II (BI 1.6) - Main article feature in the Downloader section of PCGamer (UK), February 2009.

    I also have worked on some other projects along the way such as modfoldering Europa Barbarorum for its fully-modfoldered 1.0 release, and the porting of Fourth Age Total War - The New Shadow (2.3 at the time I believe) from BI to the RTW engine (updated to the latest patch and released by Aradan).

    I have written several guides and tutorials such as the oft-used Complete EDB Guide and the tutorial on setting up a seventh culture. And during my time with FATW discovered such things as:

    * multiple building upgrades
    * multiple bodyguards
    * faction-specific building descriptions
    * use of type in addition to class for mount bonuses in EDU
    * use of temple and hinterland prefixes to adjust nature of buildings
    * porting RTW/BI victory conditions
    * the seventh culture slot
    * negative upgrades (now used by FATW, EB, VI2 and other mods to effect reforms, block peasant armies etc.)

    So, that said, let's begin!

    1. Setting Yourself Up Mentally

    OK, you love a certain Total War game and you think "Wouldn't it be nice to see a mod of [insert historical period/movie/book here]!" Now STOP and take a reality check. Let's do a quick survey:

    a. Will the basic game mechanics lend itself to your mod? (spaceships are just a no-no in TW games thus far!)
    b. Will the basic game assets lend itself to your mod? (building architecture, vegetation, etc. - if not, then you are probably looking at a full conversion of 3-4 years and even that will be a struggle)
    c. Are you willing to learn at least 80% of what needs to be done modding-wise?
    d. Are you willing to complete the mod on your own if need be?
    e. Do you have enough time for at least one year to dedicate to finishing the mod? (50 hours per week for a year, or 25 hours per week for two years is a rough guide for a modest one-man mod - unless you are very familiar with the files and modding TW games); this amounts to well over a thousand hours even for a small mod.
    f. Are you willing to work through "real life" despite interruptions by illness, PC woes, moving house, exams...?
    g. Are you willing to rethink and downscale your ideas - to make your dreams realistic ones?

    Can you answer "Yes!" to all the above? If so, you're in with a chance.

    At this point I would like to put forward the very great wisdom in joining another mod development team rather than starting your own off the bat. This will give you experience and, equally as important, a sense of how difficult things are and how long they take. You might well find that you prefer to support mod development than lead it. You might even freelance between several mods as some so successfully do. Whatever the case, you need to explore and experience these things so that you can know what is best for you. Few, in my honest opinion, have what it takes to pull off - or lead - a mod.

    2. Suggestions for Quick Releases

    You might be sitting there thinking that it's OK to wait a year or two (or more) before a release. Game popularity aside, there are several reasons for getting a release (not necessarily the final one) out swiftly. The first is that it will bolster your (and your team's - if you have one) motivation. Second, it will stir up interest in the mod publicly and this will also boost your enthusiasm. As a rule of thumb no mod should allow more than 6 months to pass without some form of substantial release. If your mod is proceeding with the vigour it needs to have in order to be completed then you should have no problem with this time frame. A release can also give you valuable feedback to improve the next release and pick out any bugs. Just a tip here: do not release anything that has known CTDs. Resolve them first. You will not make a good impression with your fans.

    SUGGESTION 1: Stop Trying To Take On The World

    This is the number one reason why so many mods fail imho. They bite off more than they can chew. It has a number of negative effects. Firstly the enthusiasm hits a wall of gloom when, several months down the road, it is realized that what has been planned is going to take a lot longer, and a lot more effort, than originally envisioned. Often tons of research is done, ideas are discussed and even a map and units made - but when the buzz is over the dedicated modder or modders begin to discover they have set out a blueprint for a sprawling metropolis when they only have the resources for a village. As it dawns upon them that most of their work to this point will never be realized, this brings even more misery to that once-enthused would-be modder.

    So how can this be overcome? Firstly, when fans and posters keep asking for various features to be implemented - or their own part of the world included - generally ignore them It's your mod. You must decide. Do not pander to expansionists - and that includes those on your team, if you have one! The spirit of expansionism is one of the number one killers of mods.

    Mods will differ, but as a rule of thumb take the smallest scenario you can with your chosen milieu whilst keeping it playable and interesting. Some of the add-ons for M2TW are quite good examples of this. After all, they are only mods after a fashion. The Britannia Campaign focuses on a small part of the map (essentially the British Isles) with five factions and uses much of the original (M2TW) files. The Americas Campaign, on the other hand, though also having just a few factions and a narrow geography would involve a full-conversion of culture - text, 3D, 2D and audio - which would be a huge endeavour and not something for beginners.

    Remember that you can add to or expand this idea if you wish and release a series of "modules" much as The Fourth Age has done over the past couple of years or so. RTR has also more recently employed this method with its release of The Iberian Conflict.

    In order to solidify this idea into your head, let me go through my thinking when I suggested that FATW forget about going for the all-or-nothing approach to a campaign release. FATW began its life in terms of discussion around August 2004. By mid 2005 the full map and many units were completed. But we were overwhelmed with all the less-obvious stuff. We hit reality. Motivation was declining. Staff, which had numbered around 20 at our peak (with about a half dozen core members), were diminishing.

    We needed to make a decision. Finish up something fast or run the risk of the mod dying. It was impossible to finish the campaign we had set out to make. It was just not realistic at that point. So we decided on cutting out about a third of the map and using just five factions, all of them "Mannish" and in harmony with much of the base vanilla architecture etc. Corsair Invasion was released in November 2006. If we had not done this I do not think we would have survived imho. Since then of course we have built upon that with Forth Eorlingas and then The New Shadow.

    So, to summarize: narrow down your scenario (50 regions or less is good), keep close to vanilla assets in terms of culture, minimize factions (2-5 I would suggest).

    SUGGESTION 2: Don't Reinvent The Wheel

    It's almost humourous to see various mod forums of today and of yesteryear that essentially have the same subject but all of which have researched for themselves. Now, independent research is good but unless historical accuracy is a main feature of your mod you can probably use some of that already-posted work at least as a starting point. In this regard be careful that historians, researchers and others who may be working on your mod do not become fastidious. They will slow down the mod's progression. As the mod leader you set the pace and make the decisions, not historians. Obviously a mod dedicated to historical realism above all else will give more leeway for historians but there are few such mods that have this single focus.

    If I could turn back the hands of time I would have pushed for a merger, or at least a greater sharing of resources, between FATW, METW and LOTRTW. We did some sharing of course but were unaware of the travails ahead back when we started. This brings up two important points:

    Firstly, if you want to create a mod about (say) early Medieval Japan then look to see if a mod about that place and time exists already before announcing your own. Join them, help them. Put aside the need to be a "mod leader" (it's long hours and you'll have no social life ) for a while at least and see if you can work together.

    Secondly, share your resources and help other modders. By so doing they will repay in kind. For example, in Gods & Fighting Men I used Arthurian Total War's map of Ireland as a base for my map, as well as several of their unit models. Most modders will allow this as long as they are credited of course. Never use anything without permission. You'll get a bad name and that will not make getting permission any easier! Vanilla and open-source assets can also be used or tweaked to greatly enhance a mod. It's amazing what you get if you just ask. And of course there are others who have resources that you can use, with permission such as musicians. After hearing "The Blood of Cu Chulainn" (theme track from Boondock Saints movie) I really wanted it for Gods & Fighting Men and so I made some enquiries which ended up with me on the phone to Hollywood speaking to the composers, Jeff & Mychael Danna!

    There's a great tendency to want everything to be fresh and new - and all of your own making. Well, that's not a bad thing in some respects but keep to reality. Don't make new stuff just for the sake of it. Use the resources out there wisely - many mods will create stuff and then the mod will die, so much that is made never sees the light of day unless one of the team has the presence of mind to release the resource files publicly before disappearing.

    SUGGESTION 3: Learn By Example

    It's interesting that many quality mods that are released all share one thing in common - very dedicated skilled modders! Whether it be a large team or a team of two or just one, they get things done and done well.

    I thought, at this point, I might share an example of how the very popular Viking Invasion II played out in terms of modding...

    I'd been toying around with the idea of bringing MTW: Viking Invasion to RTW for a long time, but it was not until May 2008 that I started seriously thinking about finding the time to do it (I was thinking of fully retiring but this project idea kept me awake). I PM'd DaVinci (head of Chivalry TW) about it and he was very enthusiastic about the era and project. Likewise with Antagonist. Agraes (Arthurian TW) allowed me to use their base map and also - along with Chivalry - the units.

    I then spent June and July working on adapting the map and all the units. I became unemployed in or towards the end of June and so was able to spend a great deal of time to get it done fast. Around August the second layer of the mod began - the stuff that many mods do not get to. I had help with various elements but most especially the traits, ancillaries and unit cards. Aradan also attended to the unit balance. Then, finally, I had help with campaign balance from Aradan and polish from the likes of Halie and others with menu-related 2D graphics.

    So how did this mod get done in 113 days? Let's look up some of the reasons:

    1. Use of pre-existing resources - maps and unit models do *not* (despite what some think) constitute the majority of what a full-conversion mod is made up of; however, the use of these resources from Chivalry and Arthurian and AoVaF saved some months of work!

    2. Unemployment - OK, you do not need to be unemployed to make a mod but it helps to have a lot of free time. In July/August I was able to dedicate nearly all my time, for 6 days a week at least, to VI2. This fast-tracked it considerably. Serious modding can take up a lot of time. When I was working on FATW I had a 3-day part-time job and worked on the mod for three solid days and as many late evenings as I could, averaging around 60 hours per week, sometimes I hit 90 hours. Over the course of a few years this adds up into the thousands. Remember that this included lore research (though mostly not after the first 6 months), writing, designing, making tutorials, coding, testing, "pioneering" work, 2D artwork, filling in lots of big Excel spreadsheets, and a host of other minutiae....and, no, it didn't include playing beyond testing, I never played FATW seriously until Aradan came along and lightened my load and took over.

    3. Help - If you help others (whether it be directly or indirectly - such as through tutorials) - then you are more likely to be helped. This is a great thing that benefits one and all. Halie ploughed in with tweaks to unit models, superb loading screens, banners, symbols and other miscellaneous menu graphics such as the title words and faction maps. Uranos did the unit cards and the Scandinvian part of the map. Aradan did the sprites, unit balance, traits, campaign balance, help with conversion of MTW:VI vanilla elements to a format for use in BI, and the tweaks and improvements in the subsequent patches. Antagonist drew up the basic unit rosters and wrote the unit descriptions.



    3. Other Things To Avoid

    As well as avoiding "expansionism" also avoid complicating things. There's a layer of modding that need not be attended to until the basics are done. If you avoid the temptation to start polishing the windows before the house is built, so to speak, you might end up with a playable (if unpolished) mod should real life strike (and it usually does at some point). Traits, sprites, ancs, scripts, LOD sets, music, battlemap buildings, balance are all things that can be put aside in preference to the basics: unit build, tech trees, map, units, cards, text, 2D art, symbols, baners, menu, etc. These can be attended to next, when all is stable. This method also helps track down bugs more easily.

    Avoid bad coding. A mod should be coded so that if your coder were to drop dead or, worse, join another mod team (just kidding!), anyone taking over should be able to easily take it up where the last coder left it. This is facilitated by prefixing new files such as models and textures (FATW uses 4a_ for example), and using plenty of headers and comments in the coding text files. Use conventions in filenames etc. You might decide for example that something like modabbrev_factionname_category_unitname might be a good name (e.g. 4a_harad_inf_corsair). This also makes it SOOOO much easier to track down bugs caused by bad coding, both in the coding and filenames attached to the same. It also aids a great deal if you stick with the vanilla names in terms of association as much as you can, otherwise confusion can easily crop up and - if intuitive - you will not need to continually be referencing a checklist to see which internal faction name matches up with your new faction etc. This can save a ton of time in my experience.

    Avoid taking time off. Generally mod leaders or other key members of a development team who take time off generally lose momentum or even stop doing any modding at all. To get a mod done you need to keep pushing unceasingly until it is done. Most modders who have completed quality mods will tell you they had to sacrifice sleep and socializing. Accept that as part of what it takes to complete a mod.

    Avoid working on more than one mod at a time. I tried working on 2 mods at the same time once but gave up. Unless you are an outsource or a freelancer in a particular area of modding, you really need to focus on your own mod. This is especially true for a mod leader and the builder/coding manager. Unlike freelancers or those who add some of the more specific things to mods, a builder/mod leader needs to glue it all together, to build it all from ground up and comprehend and see all the interactions and methods employed. This often makes him the best debugger too.

    Avoid losing the vision. You must keep in your mind the final goal and let it drive your non-expansionist enthusiasm Think about the specific aim you want for the mod or module you are working on. For example, in Viking Invasion II I wanted to portray and bring to life the old MTW:VI on a new 3D engine. I did not take my eye off that. I did not succumb to those who wanted to add more landmass, more factions, 100% historical accuracy, etc. Now, I did add a little enhancement (extra Viking faction, few more regions in Ireland etc.) but these were for gameplay and balance reasons chiefly.

    So there you have it. Some parting words. Be enthusiastic but be realistic. Look at other mods, see what they have done and how long it took them. Help others but be willing to learn and do most things yourself.

    Let me close with a poem I adulterated..er, I mean penned..


    If you can keep your dev team when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
    If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too;
    If you can code and not be tired by coding,
    Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
    Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
    And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

    If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
    If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
    If you can meet with triumph and disaster
    And treat those two imposters just the same;
    If you can bear to see the mod idea you've spoken
    Twisted by noobs to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your mod be broken,
    And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;

    If you can make one heap of all your coding
    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
    And lose, and start again at your beginning
    And never breath a word about your loss;
    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your mod long after it is released,
    And so hold on when there is nothing in you
    Except the Will which says "the mod is not deceased!"

    If you can talk on forums and keep your virtue,
    Or walk with modding legends - nor lose the common touch;
    If neither fans nor forum trolls can hurt you;
    If all players count with you, but none too much;
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds' worth of an AI run -
    Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
    And - which is more - you'll be a Modder my son!

    NOT Rudyard Kipling
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    Well said. A lot of work would be saved and there would be more quality mod work out today if we all had done things better in years past. And the future with ETW will benefit greatly if we learn from the lessons of RTW/M2TW.

    Though this is speaking to mod leaders or people who are intent on making a real mod of their own.

    There is another way to mod which maybe someday I will write in depth about, but basically whenever I pick up a game that I like, I find my favorite mods for it, and then find things that I dislike about the game still and set to work fixing them. Most of my mods are personal add-ons to existing mods to make them better, and often something of the little I came up with gets included in future releases (SPQR, CTW, LTC).

    I personally haven't the ambition or time to sit down and start a mod all from scratch, or even take on a big mod project that involves a long long time of modding before it's possible to try it out. And the few times I did do that, I ended up with a mod I didn't really enjoy playing that much. I prefer tweaking as I go along and whenever I think of something substantial to put in that would increase the fun of the game, I take some time and do it.

    I never encourage new modders to start their own mod from scratch. I personally think that to become a modder you should find the most enjoyable current game/mod and then tweak it to how you like it. This way you learn the modding skills yourself and usually come up with things that other mods could use.


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    Thanks Garnier.

    I never even set out to mod in the first place when I joined FATW. I was just an advisor as to the correctness of the design of the map. Got sucked in after that

    Tweaking is good too. Some modders are more tweakers than builders. I guess I became a builder out of necessity, though my foundation was in tech trees. With ETW the modding may be so vast that we may see more enhancers/tweakers than builders emerging from the modding pool and a resultant diminishment in the number of achievable mods. But hopefully the quality will increase

    Modding is quite wide ranging and, as I said above, it's hard to be too prescriptive in giving advice.
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    Let's sticky this... (though it would be mostly redundant if people actually bothered to read this before attempting to become super-modders.)

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    I wrote a little reply/comment on this in my rambling posts on our mod thread. Its more stream of thought on the topic. But I can truly appreciate the enormity of realizing that you have taken on more than you anticipated and run the risk of just plowing into the quagmire of being overwhelmed by what it takes to get a mod to completion.

    Working on a mod, for me and others of the Inca team, has been a second full time job. People should definitely read this post and the one linked by Aradan before taking on a modding commitment. If for no other reason to at least get an idea of what they're getting themselves into and perhaps learning from the mistakes and experiences of others.

    Great post MasterofNone!
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    Looks like i have choosen the right path....

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    August, 2007 joined DarthTeam (MWII) as Art Director (learned skill 2d UI elements; Darth retired)
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    Octobre, 2007 join as freelancer "The Frontier" (learned skill Researching in history, team organizing; leave the team)
    December, 2007 join as freelancer the "The Fourth Age" (2d art, UI, learned skill teamleading by Aradan, Skinning (Gondor ships))
    Februar, 2008 go in GED's class for "Basic Modding" (TWMODSQUAD)
    April, 2008 XAI team will born (own forum now) start with Real Horses (skinning)
    June, 2008 join as Admin DotS (former advisor only; retire from active development Dec 2008 back to advisor) learned skill mapping, team organizing) and go in TWC university "Scripting semester" (Prof. J@mes, GED)
    July, 2008 Real Horses release
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    December, 2008 start with SV to integrate XAI in Chivalry II: The Sicilian Vespers (learned skill coding, scripting)
    28. Januar 2008 Feel me ready to start with my own mod A.U. FTHAGN for Empire (a dark fantasy cthuloid mod)
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    That indeed seems like a great way to go. One step at a time, expanding and picking up skills as you go.

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    Great progress, AU. Halie might be interested in a Cthulu mod
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    This is great Master of None, i definatly made some new suggeststions to my mod team, if only all people in the wip ideas and proposals thread read this ive seen so much work go into mods yet they still always fail, a big part i think you forgot the mention is modding skills for mod leader,
    1) you cant expect other people to do your dreamwork while you sit and watch and do "easy" jobs.

    2)Lot more chance of mod to get of the ground, with the mod leader being a mod he can lift up the mod without help and getit along the route.

    3) If a modeller to attract the punters he can model units and stuff and if the mod is close to dying he can model and try and attract more people

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    I sincerely hope I am going the right way! I remember reading the "What a Mod Leader Should Know" thread and memorizing it by rote. I started on coding (don't we all?) and then goign to unit cards, skinning, simple mapping, and now am chipping away at modelling.

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    Glad I've been a help

    c. Are you willing to learn at least 80% of what needs to be done modding-wise?
    d. Are you willing to complete the mod on your own if need be?
    I think that kind of covers the mod leader - and that is really the person being addressed in the above - having to be a modder.
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    This has been added to the Scriptorium:

    The Catalogue Pt. 3: Modding Tools & Resources

    Great writing. Thank you for posting this.
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    A great read! But if all mod starters should be able to do 80% of the modding himself a werry few mods would have been started


    started on coding (don't we all?)
    started with mapping and havent moved on yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonsign View Post
    If all mod starters should be able to do 80% of the modding himself a werry few mods would have been started
    If all mod starters were able to do 80% of the modding themselves, those mods that would be started would also be released.

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    Yep, if you start a mod you should be ready to finish it. So join another mod first if you do not have the skills. Again, there are exceptions. I think Wlesmana, for example, spent a year learning 3dsmax before starting his Gondor models. Then he joined FATW briefly (though he did no models for FATW as we had our own (think he may have helped Balbor with the trolls iirc)). Then he left and went on to make a campaign mod (lotr:tw).
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    If all mod starters were able to do 80% of the modding themselves, those mods that would be started would also be released.:wink:
    True, but i see that all the mods that someone starts get finished as the most importent. there is a lot of ideas floting around in the sugestions forums and several is piced up and started. I see it as a good way to recruit more people to the modding profession. as they like an idea and want it realised they check tuts and try to learn some skills.

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    I think the key is being determined to finish what you started. That's sort of the motto of out little group over at Inca. "We've been working on this thing too long to let it die." A mod, just like any similar project from building a house to sending a person to the moon, is many small tasks added up to complete a specific objective. In our case as modders that objective is to release a playable, enjoyable, error free mod.

    And the 80% thing is a fair estimate of what you will need to know as a mod leader. But, I will add. You don't need to know it all at once. You'll figure out what you need to know as you get to that point of the mod. I started as a mapper (as you can see in my sig). I thought I was quite good at it and was able to make maps quickly and generally error free. That was three years ago. Now, I would consider myself more of a coder with a focus on settlement construction. If I had to go back to mapping I would have to struggle and relearn quite a few things like climate design and editing. So, don't worry if you forget something, just remember where to find resources to help you remember.

    I actually use FATW as a guide for how to approach our mod. And your staged release is what prompted us to go about such a format ourselves.
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    Loved the poem.

    And otherwise a nice rant.

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    I hope ETW modders - especially as there will no doubt be more to mod - will take the modular approach too. It saved FATW from dying imho.

    Yeah, I liked the poem too
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterOfNone View Post
    I hope ETW modders - especially as there will no doubt be more to mod - will take the modular approach too. It saved FATW from dying imho.

    Yeah, I liked the poem too
    Modular is good, I wasn't aware that was the thought process on FATW. I'm considering the RTR approach, but mayhaps I've said to much already.

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