Djihad problem ???

**Drexler** · February 02, 2009, 05:11 AM

Hello all, just a little question from a noob like me. I actually play with Sicilians and I attacked Moors in Nosthern Africa, but in response, I had a Djihad in my capital, Palermo. Ok, fun.... But, after 10-12 turns, I still actually see some djihad armies coming to attack my castle.
How long is the Djihad ?? How many turns I had to resist against all islam armies ??
destroyed armies :
Moors: 2 armies, Seljuk Sultanate: 1 army, Fatimid : 1 army, K. Empire: 1 army.
remaining armies : 4 armies (1 Moor, 1 Fatimid, 2 Seljuk).

I'm running out of patience

Please help me

PS : sorry for my poor english, but I'm french

**delra** · February 02, 2009, 05:35 AM

Jihad lasts until all generals participating in it are dead. Just keep killing them, preferably in defensive battles since that's when you have biggest advantage.

Also, don't whine that you have Egypt, Moors and Turks jihading at you.

A bunch of times I had a whole Mongol horde Jihading on my Constantinople... That always was quite a highlight of my Byzantine campaigns. And Moors, Fatimids and Seljuks ganging on you via a jihad is nothing compared to Mongol gold chevron stacks traversing your land at speed of light to hit your best city.

You could also end jihad faster by... giving up the city to them and then retaking it. But be careful with that cause 1. it's lame and cowardly 2. they will kill some of your citizens 3. during that killing some buildings may disappear (when they sack, buildings sometimes go bye-bye).

**magraev** · February 02, 2009, 05:36 AM

First: Welcome to the forums

And don't worry about the language - I'm danish myself so for many of us english is a second language.

After a while there will be no more new jihad armies created. It then becomes a struggle to destroy those that are left. To my knowledge they will not stop the jihad by themselves. To do it effectively you have to kill the leader of the jihad. Else he will flee and return with new mercenary troops.

I heard that jihads against Palermo are particularily annoying since the AI sometimes has a hard time finding the way. Good luck.

**PerXX** · February 02, 2009, 05:48 AM

Exactly, like stated by the others, there's no specific end time of a Jihad/Crusade (which basicly is the same thing, only for Catholics and Muslims).

Once a Jihad/Crusade is called, all factions of said faith will have 9 turns to join in with as many generals as they wish. The only requirement is atleast 7 other units in the army, besides the general. Once the 9 turns have passed, no more generals may join the Jihad/Crusade. From then on, the only ways for the Jihad/Crusade to end, is one of 3 options.

1: The attackers take the targeted city.
2: All generals participating in the Jihad/Crusade, have been killed, or have chosen to abandon the Jihad/Crusade.
3: The Jihad/Crusade is cancelled. This rarely happens, usually only if it was a Crusade targetting a Catholic faction, which then gets recommunicated.

So, all you can do, is hang in there, and keep defending your capitol. Eventually the armies will run out, but it might take a while. Sometimes a general get's stuck somewhere, so the Jihad/Crusade will last untill he dies of old age...

**Drexler** · February 02, 2009, 05:51 AM

Thank you for your replies

.
But I have another question. When a crusade is engaged, you have some turns (10 I think) to create an army and participate to the crusade. Then, after these turns, you can't participate to the crusade.
It is the same way for the Djihad ??
Or when your faction is in crusade or djihad, you can continuously send armies to combat ??

Ohh, you've already answer this question

**Drexler** · February 02, 2009, 05:56 AM

Another problem for me (again

):
When djihad armies are in Palermo, they didn't attack my fortress. They only turn around and destroy lands, not even a siege.
This is because they are too weak to destroy me ?? (I have only 20 troops in my fortress, mainly armoured sergeants

) or they wait for other armies ??

**kosmosje1** · February 02, 2009, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by Drexler

Another problem for me (again

):
When djihad armies are in Palermo, they didn't attack my fortress. They only turn around and destroy lands, not even a siege.
This is because they are too weak to destroy me ?? (I have only 20 troops in my fortress, mainly armoured sergeants

) or they wait for other armies ??

I think they tend to gang up on you with multiple stacks. Don't worry, it'll come to a true Jihad soon. Use your time to replace the units with better if you can. Palermo isn't the food capital of the world, so you'll survive

**magraev** · February 02, 2009, 05:51 AM

My, but we are a helpful bunch aren't we?

**delra** · February 02, 2009, 06:24 AM

Just take those famous and feared Knights and Crossbowmen of yours outside the walls and kick their arses. Sink their fleet first and block the way out of Sicily so they have nowhere to escape to.

**Navajo Joe** · February 02, 2009, 06:54 AM

I would strongly suggest that you build yourself a strong Navy, at least three separate fleets, patrolling Sicily and African coastline, sink those Jihadi's before they have chance to land. By having a strong fleet will also allow you to conquer any settlement on the coast, but you need complete supremacy at sea.
I had a similiar situation when I captured Ajaccio and Cagliari from the Moors, they invaded a couple of times, but after my fleet played havoc with their Navy and ports, they soon went of the idea

**delra** · February 02, 2009, 06:58 AM

They sometimes even withdraw from their siege when they know they have no place to retreat to... That's quite a lifesaver in some situations.

**Drexler** · February 02, 2009, 08:03 AM

The fleet could be a good solution, but they come only by land

. We'll see tonight if I survive or not to the new wave of muslims. And Sicily will live for ever !!!!

**Navajo Joe** · February 02, 2009, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Drexler

The fleet could be a good solution, but they come only by land

. We'll see tonight if I survive or not to the new wave of muslims. And Sicily will live for ever !!!!

Drexler,
I would move two stacks and block of the Messana straits, the crossing point between mainland Italy and Sicily. Heavily fortify Palermo and Syracuse and build an army on mainland Italy and move it to the mainland side of the Messana strait. When you fight them make sure you kill their General at all costs, even if you lose, the Jihad for that stack will founder with no General. Build two fleets and patrol the Island in opposite directions to intercept the Moors. I suspect the other factions will come thru Italy

**PerXX** · February 02, 2009, 09:09 AM

If you don't mind the dread, a skilled assassin can easily dispose of an entire stack of Jihaders/crusaders. Just assassinate the general, and the remaining stack will desolve.

**Ron Burgundy?** · February 07, 2009, 10:33 PM

Playing as the Byzantines once they called a jihad on Constantanople while a crusade was called to Antioch. I do not if it is a bug or not but every catholic faction that passed through my area declared war on me.
After 80 hostile full stacks where in my region, I raised the white flag.

**delra** · February 02, 2009, 08:33 AM

Go Byzantine with them. Let one stack pass, then block the strait behind them. Reinforcements won't be able to cross, they won't be able to withdraw.

Slaughter them, replenish your forces, bring some fresh troops from Tunis... and then move your fleet and let other stack pass.

Repeat till Pope loves you and Jihad is dead.