Allies refuse money

[Berdiche Knyaz]

Everytime i try to give them money, they always refuse, even if they are banrupt
Is there anyway to let them accept it?

[Silent Assassin]

The thing is they will betray you so they won't accept anything they are waiting to have the chance to cancel their alliance with you. You can also see this when they have a Princess or a Diplomat near your cities that looks like they want to talk but never do. Also being a different faction they will send you priest even if they are your allies because they don't want to break it by losing Global Reputation.

[Callawyn]

Spice up the offer. In addition to cash, give them your map. You can also gift an offer to attack a faction that you're at war with and are planning on attacking anyway (you can even gift an offer to attack rebels).

If you can get them to accept a few gifts, your relations should improve and they may not backstab you. Also makes it more likely they'll accept future gifts.

[Kawee]

Did you press the "make offer" button or the "send as gift" button?

[Berdiche Knyaz]

Holy crap, I keep forgetting the gift button, due to the fact I'm always pumped on this game

Well thanks for giving me advice guys, I owe it to you, I always thought that the gift button means: Send something like an ancillary

[Pink Beard]

hahaha no! If u offer them 1.000 It actually means: "here i give 1.000 what can u give me back in trade for it?". Hence they refuse

[Conquistatore]

No no, the gift button is for giving money, the map, providing assistance etc. for free. If you need to quickly increase your relations with a faction, gift them a few things and they will immediately love you.

A thing to remember though is that sometimes the AI will refuse money or a good deal because the AI thinks that it is too good to be true..

[Pink Beard]

No no, the gift button is for giving money, the map, providing assistance etc. for free. If you need to quickly increase your relations with a faction, gift them a few things and they will immediately love you.

A thing to remember though is that sometimes the AI will refuse money or a good deal because the AI thinks that it is too good to be true..

I said offer not gift. An offer is different. If u offer something they expect u want something back. If u gift something they will hapilly accept...

Btw: Did anybody here ever managed to sell a settlement (for a decent amount of cash that is) ? I noticed it is very rare. They usually start babbling about me taking the settlement back after they bought it blablabla...

C'mon i'm a very honest dude! I would not even think of such low acts!

[Ascarona]

I said offer not gift. An offer is different. If u offer something they expect u want something back. If u gift something they will hapilly accept...

Btw: Did anybody here ever managed to sell a settlement (for a decent amount of cash that is) ? I noticed it is very rare. They usually start babbling about me taking the settlement back after they bought it blablabla...

C'mon i'm a very honest dude! I would not even think of such low acts!

I buy settlements all the time, but I also tend to sell any crusade taken settlements to HRE, its the only faction that I manage to sell them to. Always raking in 10.000-15.000, not that much but I don't want to keep on fighting with the 'infidels' there while im fighting another 2 wars on the home front.

[Conquistatore]

If u gift something they will hapilly accept...

Not true, I have had the AI refuse gifts many times before. It all depends on the value of the gift, sometimes they will take it, sometimes they will just flat out refuse. At least with offers they can counter-offer so you get a better idea of what they might be willing to trade to accept a deal, with gifts you don't get that luxury.

[Pink Beard]

Not true, I have had the AI refuse gifts many times before. It all depends on the value of the gift, sometimes they will take it, sometimes they will just flat out refuse. At least with offers they can counter-offer so you get a better idea of what they might be willing to trade to accept a deal, with gifts you don't get that luxury.

well I think u mean military acces, etc. offers. No they won't accept that but the AI WILL ALWAYS* accept money... well... if ur allies or neutral that is


*excluding the times they don't

[Viking Prince]

I have seen the Pope refuse the gift of map information even though allied and taking cash. One one turn I gift the map info. The next turn I take a new settlement and then gift the map info again with the updated settlement. The Pope refuses the gift!!!!

Now that you are listening -- The AI knows when you have taken a settlement. The Pope will refuse a gift of map information when there is no change from the previous gift. I am not certain, but I think you need to end turn for this to update. So you cannot take a settllement and then in the same turn gift map information to an AI faction that received such a gift previously.

The brighter and more capable that can run thru the code can probably give a better explanation. I state what I observe.

[Pink Beard]

Yes sometimes if u trade map information for map information for the first time the offer will say generous or balanced. but as soon as u offer it right again (or after only a couple of turns) it usually sais "demanding"

So i agree with you Viking Prince

[Callawyn]

I have seen the Pope refuse the gift of map information even though allied and taking cash. One one turn I gift the map info. The next turn I take a new settlement and then gift the map info again with the updated settlement. The Pope refuses the gift!!!!

Now that you are listening -- The AI knows when you have taken a settlement. The Pope will refuse a gift of map information when there is no change from the previous gift. I am not certain, but I think you need to end turn for this to update. So you cannot take a settllement and then in the same turn gift map information to an AI faction that received such a gift previously.

The brighter and more capable that can run thru the code can probably give a better explanation. I state what I observe.

You can see the same thing when you get a lot of new map info by trading it with one AI faction and then offer a map trade with another AI faction. For instance, at game start HRE often doesn't like to do map for map trades since they have knowledge of more provinces. Do a couple map trades with other factions and then try the HRE again, eventually it'll go to Balanced and they'll accept.

[Conquistatore]

Well it stands to reason. If you give them your map and then try and give it again after taking a territory or two there won't be a lot of difference between the two maps so why should the pope care if the world if a little more your colour?

It comes back to the AI believing that you want something from giving them all these wonderful gifts, so unless it is worthwhile, they will most likely not accept. I suspect that even if you tried to sweeten the gift with some cash, they would most likely refuse..

[Viking Prince]

This brings up a good question. Does anybody have actual real knowledge of what is really traded with map information. Is it only your regions and watchtower range or does it include other map information from prior map trades? I think it is only your own map information judging from what I see after the trades.

[Conquistatore]

I believe it to be only your own map information, your cities, castles and armies. If you think about it, map information could be the most valuable thing for trade, you basically show another faction your entire faction, your garrisons, your military, your agents and everything.. I try not to give it out, except to the Pope. He loves it.

[Viking Prince]

I do not think the map information includes contents of sttlements or disposition of troops. It is really resoource map. To access the resources you also know about ports, roads, and type of walls (forts, I assume also).

There are times that information seems to "bleed" over into adjacent regions. I thought this might be the result of watchtowers, but now I am not so sure. It does not seem logical to be from agent and army movements or more would show. It is not the complete region so it should not be due to change of control. Hmmm?

[Pink Beard]

No map information includes all what 1 nation knows.. so If u wait a couple 50 turns and u ask map information of let's say the HRE, chances are (IF U EVER GET THEM TO ACCEPT ) U will get full view of Denmark, France, Poland, Hungary (and the HRE itself ofcourse) most likely because the HRE has exchanged map information with them


If u are in doubt try this: Play spain and ask map information from France. U will get to see English cities in your "updated" map and not only France itself... If it doesn't work wait for a bit longer until France has made some deals

[Conquistatore]

I thought that is how the map info works. It shows you the line of sight and exploration that a nation has undertaken.