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    Default UK: New pornography laws 'could make comic books illegal'



    They are protesting against two pieces of legislation. The first, the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act, comes into force later this month.

    It will make possessing "extreme pornography" - defined as any "extreme image" produced "solely or principally for the purpose of sexual arousal" - illegal.

    The Government defines an "extreme image" as any "grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise ... obscene" moving or still depiction of someone any "reasonable person" would think real being sexually injured or engaging in sexual activity with an animal or corpse.

    Films given an official classification are exempt from the new law, meaning portrayals of such extreme activity by actors will be allowed on screen. However, imitations by characters on paper will not enjoy such an exemption.

    The second is the Coroners and Justice Bill, which is currently passing through Parliament. It will introduce a similar law banning the possession of any image involving sexual activity and children. For the purpose of the law, an image is said to contain a child if "the impression conveyed ... is that the person shown is a child".

    The comic book campaigners claim that if the new rules are interpreted harshly, their hobby could be criminalised.

    In a statement, comicshopvoice.co.uk, a comic fans' website, said of the rules outlawing sexual violence: "Isn't that how Batman, Punisher, Judge Dredd get anything done?

    "A kick in the balls or a--- would constitute this, and a kick in the balls is a well trodden part of humour."

    It added that the new law on images of children would make owning some comic books, and "particularly some forms of Manga" - the Japanese form often featuring young-looking cartoon characters - illegal.

    The statement added: "Because this is a minefield for the law it then falls on the Police to enforce it, and it is their judgement that could lead to a prosecution.

    "We COULD get to a point where the police could legitimately visit your home or workplace, and sanctioned by an un-elected magistrate or judge go through your collection and if they find any comic book that they feel will cause sexual arousal or displays extreme violence then they could arrest you."

    Calling on comic book fans to lobby their MPs, the group added: "What is frightening about this law is that it gives [the Government] carte blanche to invade our lives, to shut down our comic shops and ultimately it could lead to censorship of books and films as well."
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    Default Re: UK: New pornography laws 'could make comic books illegal'

    Hehe well Ennis's books would definitely be banned then Leave comic books alone you damn brits!

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    Default Re: UK: New pornography laws 'could make comic books illegal'

    *slow clap for British bureaucracy*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    *slow clap for British bureaucracy*

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    Default Re: UK: New pornography laws 'could make comic books illegal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    *slow clap for British bureaucracy*
    European.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    *slow clap for British bureaucracy*

    Im British but increasingly our bureaucracy does seem pretty bad but o well at least we in the UK have a chance to write a good stern letter and they will be forced to change it over a good cup of tea..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor Richard View Post
    Im British
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    What next? Raising the drinking age to 21 or something equally laughable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markas View Post
    What next? Raising the drinking age to 21 or something equally laughable?
    Maybe they won't let kids drive until they're 17 or something!



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    I see news bits like this and I have no idea why Americans are panicking regarding their lawmakers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    I see news bits like this and I have no idea why Americans are panicking regarding their lawmakers...
    because not panicking means you give your lawmakers free reign and end up in a situation like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheuch13 View Post
    because not panicking means you give your lawmakers free reign and end up in a situation like this.
    Except I've yet to see something on our side of the pond that's totally and wholly unreasonable have a shot at passing to the president's desk, much less get signed, much less override veto. All we get is either "Something liberals don't like" or "Something conservatives don't like". Call me when we get a porn law like this one.
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    Default Re: UK: New pornography laws 'could make comic books illegal'

    What next? Raising the drinking age to 21 or something equally laughable?
    Theyve already started, kids shouldnt be allowed to drink before 15!? Outrageous! I say we give babies whiskey instead of breast milk, just to show this "Government" how we feel!

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    "What is frightening about this law is that it gives [the Government] carte blanche to invade our lives, to shut down our comic shops and ultimately it could lead to censorship of books and films as well."
    And suddenly "V for Vendetta" is not just fiction anymore...

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    It's ing insane....
    And still the douchebags will vote Labour AGAIN...
    Miss me yet?

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    Default Re: UK: New pornography laws 'could make comic books illegal'

    where's a really big stick when you need one? Rap them all upside the head with it. Stupid.

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    Default Re: UK: New pornography laws 'could make comic books illegal'

    It's ing insane....
    And still the douchebags will vote Labour AGAIN...
    Its very easy to say dont vote Labour. Not so to then break the news that that then involves voting Lib Dem or Tory instead.

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    Default Re: UK: New pornography laws 'could make comic books illegal'

    You know what a hard time I had to find out what "Tory" means, BBC World News kept nagging about it constantly and I couldn't find anything on google/wiki, lol

    But ehhmm, It's the conservative party, right?
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    Default Re: UK: New pornography laws 'could make comic books illegal'

    First off I'd like to state that I disagree with the new legislation, and in some cases the definitions sound too vague.

    Having said that however, it doesn't seem as bad as everyone here seems to be making out. I don't think that your run-of-the-mill comic book (e.g. Batman) would be banned under the Criminal Justice and Legislation Act as it is not solely or principaly produced for the purpose of sexual arousal.

    Now as for the Coroners and Justice Bill, this seems more vague. However it only seems to be concerning sexual activity and children. Therefore it seems to be that for a magazine to be banned, the character (e.g. Batman, Judge Dredd, Punisher etc) would have to be engaging in the sexual activity with the children, or the image would have to feature children alongside the sexual activity. (But yeh I agree that does seem kinda vague, I mean on what exactly constitues a sexual activity? And the fact that at points it seems to rely on the views a "reasonable person," makes you wonder what constitues a "reasonable person." )

    Then the final part seems to go into possible future speculations on what could happen in a future where the laws are built on etc and made more stringent, not under the current Criminal Justice and Legislation Act or Coroners and Justice Bill.

    As I stated I don't agree with these new laws, but I don't think they're as radical as we'd like to think.
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    Default Re: UK: New pornography laws 'could make comic books illegal'

    Yeah, Tory is slang for the Conservative Party in the UK.

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