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    Since the end of Operation Cast Lead, Hamas seem to have been really busy, purging the Gaza of any supposed "collaborators"; turning schools and suchlike into makeshift interrogation centers. They've been quite intense with kneecapping and killing Fatah members under charges of "collaborating with Israel" etc.

    Now they've apparently moved on to people who work with Aid agencies...

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    Hamas executes suspected Fatah traitors in Gaza

    Matthew Kalman, Chronicle Foreign Service
    Thursday, January 22, 2009

    (01-22) 04:00 PST Ramallah, West Bank --

    As Israel's last troops left the Gaza Strip Wednesday, Hamas officials conceded that they are executing Palestinians suspected of collaborating with Israel during the three-week invasion.

    In the West Bank, Fatah officials said at least 19 of its members have been executed and many more brutally tortured. Gaza residents say Hamas is using schools and other public buildings in Gaza City, and the towns of Khan Yunis and Rafah as detention centers to interrogate members of Fatah, their political rivals. They said three men have been blinded during questioning and more than 60 have been shot in the legs as punishment.

    "They are committing human rights violations in a very brutal manner," Mahmoud Habbash, Palestinian Authority minister of social welfare said in Ramallah. "Not only did Israel perpetrate war crimes, but Hamas also has been targeting innocent Palestinians."
    'Kisses to Israeli warplanes'

    A leaflet distributed by the Fatah military wing, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, pleaded with Hamas to "respect the blood of the Palestinian martyrs" and urged them to stop pursuing Fatah members in Gaza. The leaflet said Hamas has arrested hundreds of Fatah members since the cease-fire and has threatened to shoot anyone who refuses to surrender.

    While Fatah leaders in the West Bank also accused Hamas of stealing U.N. aid convoys, Hamas officials denounced Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and his Fatah movement for collaborating with Israel and said they no longer recognized his authority since his term officially ended on Jan. 9.

    In Damascus, Moussa Abu Marzook, the Hamas deputy political leader, told reporters that senior Fatah officials had "distributed candy celebrating the Gaza offensive, sent kisses to Israeli warplanes" and "guided these planes to their targets." Admitting that suspected collaborators were being executed in Gaza, Abu Marzook said "many people from the former Palestinian Authority viewed the Israeli offensive as an opportunity to rise to power again" in Gaza.
    Bitter rivals

    Hamas and Fatah have been bitter rivals since June 2007, when Hamas ousted Fatah from Gaza after launching a bloody coup against the Abbas government. About 400 Fatah supporters were killed and many others badly maimed.

    Since the 23-day Israeli assault on Gaza ended in a cease-fire Sunday, Hamas has repeatedly accused Abbas of backing Israel and has branded him a traitor and collaborator. On the first day of the invasion on Dec. 27, Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal called on Palestinians in the West Bank to overthrow the Abbas government in a "quiet intifada." More recently, Mohammed Al-Ghoul, Hamas justice minister, said Abbas should be put on trial for conspiring against the Palestinian people "in full coordination with the Israeli occupation."

    Ihab Ghissin, a spokesman for the Hamas Ministry of Interior in Gaza, confirmed the arrest of Fatah activists. "We have managed to capture a number of collaborators who are now being questioned for their role in aiding the Zionist aggression," he told reporters in Gaza City.

    Fatah officials have dismissed the accusations of spying for Israel, pointing out that Abbas has described Israel's three-week offensive as "barbaric and criminal." On Tuesday, Abbas backed an Arab League statement that accused Israel of war crimes. On Wednesday, a Fatah flyer calling West Bank residents to attend mass rallies today to condemn the invasion said "Israeli aggression did not distinguish between Palestinian factions."

    David Makovsky, director of the Washington Institute's Project on the Middle East Peace Process, says Hamas has been hurling spy accusations at Fatah since the takeover of Gaza.

    "It's clearly more palatable to Hamas to accuse Fatah of collaborating with Israel than to openly admit their desire for raw power over Gaza," said Makovsky.

    Hamas proof
    But Hamas legislator Salah Bardaweel said he has proof that Fatah helped Israel assassinate security chief Said Siam, commander of the 15,000-strong Hamas Executive Force militia. Siam was killed along with his brother and another senior security official in an air strike last week. Bardaweel said Fatah informants reported directly to Abbas officials in the West Bank.

    "We had arrested a number of them prior to the Israeli assault, and we found them with plans showing homes of Hamas' leaders, and places where Hamas stores its weapons. They have admitted their guilt and told us names of their masters, who would, in turn, inform the Israeli intelligence ... to facilitate the Israeli mission," said Bardaweel.

    In Gaza City, Fatah activists told spine-chilling stories of retribution.

    Relatives of Abed al-Gharabli, a former Fatah security officer who spent 12 years in an Israeli prison, said he was kidnapped by a group of Hamas militiamen who shot him in both legs after severely torturing him.

    Ziad Abu Hayeh, a Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade commander, is reported to have been blinded after being abducted from his home in Khan Yunis by Hamas gunmen.

    In other cases, Fatah supporters were simply shot in the legs - a favored Hamas tactic during the 2007 coup that drove Fatah out of Gaza.

    The crackdown suggests it will not be easy to bring Hamas and Fatah together in a national unity government that many observers believe is the only way to lift international sanctions against Gaza and ensure the speedy flow of goods to a population in desperate need of aid. The European Union has said it will not give reconstruction funds to Hamas, only to the Abbas government.


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    A Palestinian human rights activist and journalist who used to work for the Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem has been executed by Hamas on charges of "collaboration" with Israel, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip said over the weekend.

    They identified the man as Haidar Ghanem, 46, of Rafah.

    They pointed out that Ghanem, who was a field researcher for B'Tselem, had been sentenced to death by a Palestinian Authority court in 2002 after being found guilty of passing on information to Israel that later resulted in the elimination of Fatah gunmen.

    Ghanem, according to the Palestinians, was among dozens of suspected "collaborators" who were executed by Hamas during Operation Cast Lead.

    Fatah officials in Ramallah claimed that many of the alleged collaborators were in fact Fatah members who had been rounded up by Hamas militiamen during the war. They said that Ghanem was executed on January 7 in Rafah.

    Although he was sentenced to death by firing squad seven years ago, former PA Chairman Yasser Arafat and his successor, Mahmoud Abbas, refrained from carrying out the sentence because of pressure from human rights groups and journalists.

    The PA state security court had sentenced Ghanem, a father of two, after holding only two brief sessions. He was convicted of helping Israel kill four Fatah activists in Rafah.

    Ghanem pleaded guilty to collaborating, but denied responsibility for the killings. He told the court that he did not know that Israel would use the information to kill the activists.

    Prosecutor Wael Zakut told the court Ghanem was recruited as an informer in 1996. He said he had been asked to monitor the movements of Fatah members Jamal Abdel Razek, Awni Dahir, Sami Abu Laban, and Nael Liddawi.

    The prosecutor claimed the IDF killed them 15 minutes after Ghanem tipped off the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) about the location of their car. An undercover IDF unit intercepted the car, killing all four, he added.

    The court was told by PA security officers that the accused had opened a press office in Rafah that was supplying the Shin Bet with information about Fatah activists. Ghanem was paid a monthly sum for his "press services."

    The officers claimed that Ghanem had supplied Israel with reports on the movements of PA security personnel and names of Palestinians involved in terror attacks. Among other things, Ghanem prepared reports on the general mood in the Gaza Strip, the status of the PA, and details on the salaries of its employees.

    The officer told the court that Ghanem's Shin Bet handlers had given him permission to work as a field researcher with B'Tselem to facilitate his mission and provide a cover for his espionage activities.

    Ghanem told the court that he had confessed of his own free will because he had hoped to work as a double agent. He admitted that he had served as an informer, but said he did not watch the movements of the Fatah fugitives with the purpose of killing them.

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    I've seen so much B.S. about Israel and Hamas now I'm just numb to the entire thing. Don't even know if I care anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    I've seen so much B.S. about Israel and Hamas now I'm just numb to the entire thing. Don't even know if I care anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    I've seen so much B.S. about Israel and Hamas now I'm just numb to the entire thing. Don't even know if I care anymore.
    Same..

    I feel the same way with Blago, the Bailout, Casey Anthony Case, and all the other that keeps getting told over and over again.


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    Default Re: Hamas carries out purges in Gaza after ceasefire

    One of the most deplorable characteristics of Hamas leadership.

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    Neither side deserves sympathy or support at this point.

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    excellent the less you care, the more likely the better group will win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    excellent the less you care, the more likely the better group will win.
    What exactly is that supposed to mean Chaigidel?:hmmm:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikos_Rouvelas View Post
    What exactly is that supposed to mean Chaigidel?:hmmm:
    I think you understand.

    It means he's a big time

    If you don't care and don't watch his tsahal "friends" will continue their deeds with nobody watching making Hamas an objective accomplice/pretext.

    Apparently he's happy that Hamas can "purify" Gaza of all "traitors": democrats, seculars, educated people, Aid workers and other "deviants".
    I don't know Chaidigel so he can correct me if I'm wrong.






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    no im saying that hamas only exists because of sympathy aid for the palestinians, once everyone stops looking the jews can quietly relocate the entire population of gaza and the west bank to somwhere and jordan and make the land of Israel completely free of invaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Pacha View Post
    I think you understand.

    It means he's a big time

    If you don't care and don't watch his tsahal "friends" will continue their deeds with nobody watching making Hamas an objective accomplice/pretext.

    Apparently he's happy that Hamas can "purify" Gaza of all "traitors": democrats, seculars, educated people, Aid workers and other "deviants".
    I don't know Chaidigel so he can correct me if I'm wrong.
    The better group is Israel, I think you are mistaking Chaigidel for Janken.
    Chaigidel does not support Hamas.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaigidel View Post
    no im saying that hamas only exists because of sympathy aid for the palestinians, once everyone stops looking the jews can quietly relocate the entire population of gaza and the west bank to somwhere and jordan and make the land of Israel completely free of invaders.
    I rather see the west bank Fatah group bulldoze Hamas out of Gaza but whatever gets rid of Hamas works for me.

    Anyway I posted a thread on the same subject but I had no idea that Hamas has found spies and traitors in Aid groups as well. Hell even Stalin managed to find spies everywhere. Hamas also manage to confiscate supplies from the spies within the Aid groups as well, Interesting.


    Fatah officials have dismissed the accusations of spying for Israel, pointing out that Abbas has described Israel's three-week offensive as "barbaric and criminal." On Tuesday, Abbas backed an Arab League statement that accused Israel of war crimes. On Wednesday, a Fatah flyer calling West Bank residents to attend mass rallies today to condemn the invasion said "Israeli aggression did not distinguish between Palestinian factions."
    Notice what Hamas is doing. Hamas is attempting to turn the public in the West Bank against Fatah. Despite Abbas attempts to stop Israel Hamas still labeled him a collaborator. It is obvious what Hamas is doing, they know Abbas is not a spy but they also know that there is a lot of sympathy for Hamas and Gazans by West Bank Palestinians and if Hamas can rally enough Palestinians in the West Bank then Fatah will be driven out and a second front with Israel will open up. . just got worse for Israel.
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    I don't understand the self righteousness of the thread title (let alone the thread), I'm pretty sure Fateh is guilty of similar excesses.
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    Good. Kill the ing traitors. The whole lot of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major.Stupidity View Post
    I don't understand the self righteousness of the thread title (let alone the thread), I'm pretty sure Fateh is guilty of similar excesses.
    Im pretty sure Fatah doesnt go around shooting children and raping their mothers.
    Nor can I recall Fatah using civilians as cover while they launched rockets into Israel.
    Im Pretty sure Fatah would oppose the murder of aid workers and civilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haramzadeh View Post
    Good. Kill the ing traitors. The whole lot of them.
    Wow even more extreme than Janken. They are not traitors. Hamas invaded their lands and homes, Hamas is the invader, the palestinians are patriots. Remember Hamas' Intifada.

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    That's how any self-respecting people treat traitors - DEATH. Ask the Americans what their punishment for treason is.

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    Ask the Americans the last time we executed someone for being a traitor.
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    Ask Hamas if they've ever heard of investigation / trial / verdict / sentencing / appeals courts...... you know. An independent justice system.

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    Ask Hamas sympathizers if they give a about Hamas executing Palestinians. Prob not.
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    Im pretty sure Fatah doesnt go around shooting children and raping their mothers.
    Nor can I recall Fatah using civilians as cover while they launched rockets into Israel.
    Im Pretty sure Fatah would oppose the murder of aid workers and civilians.
    First, where's your link to your first accusation? Second, Fateh and other forces used to launch rockets from Lebanon into Israel back in the day (how quickly one forgets).
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    Fateh under PLO President Arafat quit hostilities with Israel in 1988, quickly how one forgets that splitter groups jump off of Arafats bandwagon and waged their own private war with Israel.

    The link to my accusations are at the top of the page, the OP, and in my thread.
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