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    More than $260 billion has been wiped from the wealth of Russia’s billionaires over the past eight months as the credit crunch has sent the value of its currency and its largest industrial groups plummeting, according to one of Russia’s largest private banks.

    The meltdown in the private wealth of Russian oligarchs including aluminium magnate Oleg Deripaska, Chelsea-owner Roman Abramovich and steelmaker Severstal chief Alexei Mordashov, reflected a 68 per cent slide in Moscow’s benchmark Micex share index since it peaked in May last year.

    Andrei Sharonov, managing director of banking group Troika Dialog and Russia’s former deputy minister of economic development, said the oligarchs had suffered an unprecedented collapse in their wealth.

    Speaking on the sidelines of the WEF in Davos he said a handful, including Mikhail Prokhorov, had managed to dodge the worst of the crisis.

    He sold out of his 25 per cent share in Norilsk Nickel for cash in April, just before the market’s collapse.

    Today the Micex index was trading at 622, down from a peak of 1944 on May 19, 2008.

    The rouble has fallen around 27 per cent over the same timeframe, said Mr Sharonov.

    “In terms of public opinion these guys are not heroes so it’s not something that arouses much pity.”

    The global credit crunch, war with Georgia and falling oil prices prompted foreign investors to pull $74 billion out of Russia at the end of last year.

    But despite the lack of popular sympathy for Russia’s business elite, Mr Sharonov said the country was now facing a profound economic crisis, with soaring unemployment raising the spectre of social unrest this year.

    “This situation is a very serious challenge to any government,” he said. “The mood of the population is not improving.”

    Mr Sharonov’s comments came as Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin addressed the economic crisis in his opening address to the WEF.

    He said Russia had been “seriously affected” but claimed that its large foreign reserves, built up during the period of record oil prices, were providing some cushion.

    Russia’s foreign reserves now stand around $400 billion although they have still plunged by nearly $200 billion since they hit a peak of $598 billion in August.

    Mr Sharonov said the country's economic troubles could be compounded by the weak state of its energy sector.

    The falling price of crude oil is undermining investment in the country's oilfields, which in turn is likely to hamper future production and therefore tax revenues, he said.

    He still expressed long term confidence in Russia's economy. He said Russian assets were now very undervalued, which was eventually likely to draw in fresh investment while its large internal market was also an attractive long-term bet for foreign companies.

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    anti russian schadenfreude commencing in 3...2...1...

    nationalistic russian defenders incoming in 3...2...1...

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    Sucks for Russia, though like the people in russia; I don't really hurt for billionaires loosing billions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidmen View Post
    Sucks for Russia, though like the people in russia; I don't really hurt for billionaires loosing billions.
    I agree. There should be a restriction on wealth to help the poor. A billion dollars is WAY too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total Fanatic :) View Post
    I agree. There should be a restriction on wealth to help the poor. A billion dollars is WAY too much.
    Its called taxes.

    However Russia has always been notorius for its wealth inequality. Why do you think it was the birthplace of Communism...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aetius View Post
    Its called taxes.

    However Russia has always been notorius for its wealth inequality. Why do you think it was the birthplace of Communism...
    No, the birthplace of Communism was in Marx's head, studying the conditions of the British Working classes.

    At anyrate. Looks like those who did well of the collapse of communism are doing badly when Capitalism stalls. How terribly ironic.
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    The Russians are decreasing while Muslim Turkish people are increasing. I think that the financial problem is a small one when it'll be compared to the religious and ethnic one that will rise in the future.
    Sigh...

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    Turkic. Turkish refers to Turkic inhabitants of Anatolia (or citizens of the state of Turkey).

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    Clearly the global recession is just the opening phase of Putin's war on Oliglarchy :hmmm:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alakasam View Post
    Clearly the global recession is just the opening phase of Putin's war on Oliglarchy :hmmm:
    I hope they bring back death penalty just for oligarchs!

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    Not really surprising. Foreign investors have more or less fled the country in the lack of democratic playing rules.

    Where's your god nao, Russia?!
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    Well, it's not surprising. Russia obviously has diversification issues and when the price of oil was skyrocketing it was only a matter of time. Since Russia doesn't really trade anything on the world stage, all that money that was coming in from oil didn't go into producing large steel industries or car companies or generic goods that are traded on the world markets. The price for those markets were unaffected and as a result things like Haircuts, restaurants, nondurables sky rocketed in price attracting any and all investment. Now Russia is on an express elevator to economic hell. Hopefully the communists don't regain control.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    Well, it's not surprising. Russia obviously has diversification issues and when the price of oil was skyrocketing it was only a matter of time. Since Russia doesn't really trade anything on the world stage, all that money that was coming in from oil didn't go into producing large steel industries or car companies or generic goods that are traded on the world markets. The price for those markets were unaffected and as a result things like Haircuts, restaurants, nondurables sky rocketed in price attracting any and all investment. Now Russia is on an express elevator to economic hell. Hopefully the communists don't regain control.
    Russia exports allot of other things then Oil & Gas. Get your facts straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikitn View Post
    Russia exports allot of other things then Oil & Gas. Get your facts straight.
    Okay okay, We'll add drugs, Mafias, AK's and internet warriors to the list.
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    pffft... $260 billion for all the Russian oligarchs is like for you losing a $20 bill .

    Throw away all your newspapers!
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    Russia exports allot of other things then Oil & Gas. Get your facts straight.
    If that were the case your economy wouldn't be tanking so dramatically. Kinda can't have one without the other type thing.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    If that were the case your economy wouldn't be tanking so dramatically. Kinda can't have one without the other type thing.
    Umm, that is the case. But the economy is going down because Oil is a significant part of our export.


    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Life is Rubbish View Post
    Okay okay, We'll add drugs, Mafias, AK's and internet warriors to the list.
    If you replace Mafias with freedom Mafias, AK's with M16's, internet warrios with Internet red necks and keep drugs - there you have the US export.

    Makes just as much sence as your spam.
    Last edited by Nikitn; January 29, 2009 at 09:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikitn View Post
    If you replace Mafias with freedom Mafias, AK's with M16's, internet warrios with Internet red necks and keep drugs - there you have the US export.

    Makes just as much sence as your spam.
    Actually it makes no sense at all. The U.S economy is extremely diverse, and the most technologically advanced in the world. U.S companies are at the forefront of pretty much every thinkable field...
    Last edited by Norge; January 29, 2009 at 10:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norge View Post
    Actually it makes no sense at all.
    That's the point, genius.

    The U.S economy is extremely diverse, and the most technologically advanced in the world. U.S companies are at the forefront of pretty much every field...
    The US economy is neither the most technologically advanced in the world, or there companies the best at everything. Unless you can somehow prove that they are..

    And the Russian economy isn't all oil & gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norge View Post
    The U.S economy is extremely diverse, and the most technologically advanced in the world.
    Japanese are the most technologically advanced economy in the world .

    U.S companies are at the forefront of pretty much every thinkable field...
    including bail outs and outsourcing. common guys, what are we fighting for?

    Russian economy is not diversified enough?

    It is diversified, but yes, I agree, there is no such thing as "diversified enough". look at Russia's GDP structure. Services - 56.3%, Industry - 39.1%, Agriculture - 4.6%. it is a normal mix for any European country.

    yes, our exports are almost 80% natrual resources-related (the rest is heavy industry and vodka ). this is true, but so what? same is true for your beloved Norway. stop shaking the empty air.

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