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    (Jan. 23) - Not everyone was happy with President Barack Obama's nod to nonbelievers and non-Christians in his inaugural address. And some of the stiff criticism about Obama’s religious inclusiveness is coming from African-American Christians who maintain that no, all faiths were actually not created equal.

    "For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness," the new president said. "We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this earth," he also said. Nothing too controversial, proclaiming that America's strength lies in its diversity.
    But between those two statements, the new president got specific: "We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus, and nonbelievers."

    By mentioning, for the first time in an inaugural address, the 16.1 percent of Americans who check "no"’ when asked about religion, Obama turned it into the most controversial line in his speech -- praised by The New York Times editorial board and cited by some Christians as evidence that he is a heretic, and in his well-spoken way, a serious threat.

    With that one line, the president "seems to be trying to redefine American culture, which is distinctively Christian," said’ Bishop E.W. Jackson of the Exodus Faith Ministries in Chesapeake, Va. "The overwhelming majority of Americans identify as Christians, and what disturbs me is that he seems to be trying to redefine who we are.’"

    Earlier this week, Jackson was a guest on the popular conservative Christian radio show 'Janet Parshall's America,' where a succession of callers, many of whom identified themselves as African-American, said they shared the concern, and were perplexed and put off by the president’s shout-out to nonbelievers.

    Parshall noted that atheists were celebrating the unexpected mention, and indeed they were: "In his inaugural address … President Barack Obama did what many before him should have done, rightly citing the great diversity of America as part of the nation's great strength, and including 'nonbelievers'’ in that mix,’" said Ed Buckner of American Atheists.

    "His mother would have been proud,"’ Buckner said, referring to the fact that Obama’s mother was not a church-goer. "And so are we."

    Jackson said he and others have no problem acknowledging that "this country is one in which everybody has the freedom to think what they want.’" Yet Obama crossed the line, in his view, in suggesting that all faiths (and none) were different roads to the same destination: "He made similar remarks in the campaign, and said, 'We are no longer a Christian nation, if we ever were. We are a Jewish, Hindu and non-believing nation.'"
    Not so, Jackson says: "Obviously, Jewish heritage is very much a part of Christianity; the Jewish Bible is part of our Bible. But Hindu, Muslim, and nonbelievers? I don't think so. We are not a Muslim nation or a nonbelieving nation."’

    With all the focus on Obama as the first African-American president, the succession of black callers to Janet Parshall's show was a reminder that the "community"’ is not a monolith, and that many socially conservative black Americans are at odds with Obama's views, particularly on abortion and gay rights. Nor do they all define civil rights in the same way.
    The Rev. Cecil Blye, pastor of More Grace Ministries Church in Louisville, Ky., said the president's reference to nonbelievers also set off major alarm bells for him. "It's important to understand the heritage of our country, and it's a Judeo-Christian tradition,"’ period.

    But his even bigger beef with the president, he said, is that a disproportionate number of "black kids are dying each day through abortion. President Obama is supportive of abortion, and that's a genocide on black folks. Nobody wants to talk about that as a civil rights issue."
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    Umm, America doesn't have a state religion, unlike Britain or Sweden. Whatever happened to seperation of church and state?

    And the bit at the end, what does the bishop want? No abortions for black people? If you want to stop black people having abortions, get them to stop having kids that they can't support. In the words of Chris Rock, they need to"put the dick down. Put it down! And get a job. Get a job holding dicks if you want."

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    Umm, America doesn't have a state religion, unlike Britain or Sweden. Whatever happened to seperation of church and state?

    And the bit at the end, what does the bishop want? No abortions for black people? If you want to stop black people having abortions, get them to stop having kids that they can't support. In the words of Chris Rock, they need to"put the dick down. Put it down! And get a job. Get a job holding dicks if you want."
    Ironically, the countries were church and state is tied together, is often a lot more atheistic. You'd think an official religion for your state would make it dominant...
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    But his even bigger beef with the president, he said, is that a disproportionate number of "black kids are dying each day through abortion. President Obama is supportive of abortion, and that's a genocide on black folks. Nobody wants to talk about that as a civil rights issue."
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    oh brother!

    Why complain when Obama is just speaking the truth? Take the meaning of his words as you want, but really he just was saying what every history book about the country mentions- diversity, the melting pot, and to try to reconcile some of the tensions between the groups to make this country stronger. Diversity is a good thing. Just look at where being a ,"christian nation" has got us? The country always should be secular at all times. The president calling the different groups to treat it as so is exactly what a president should do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-Rob View Post
    oh brother!

    Why complain when Obama is just speaking the truth? Take the meaning of his words as you want, but really he just was saying what every history book about the country mentions- diversity, the melting pot, and to try to reconcile some of the tensions between the groups to make this country stronger. Diversity is a good thing. Just look at where being a ,"christian nation" has got us? The country always should be secular at all times. The president calling the different groups to treat it as so is exactly what a president should do.
    Oh brother someone doesn't know what "melting pot" means!

    the black people shouldnt say anything....there are more non-believers in America than black people; 16% to 12% of the population, and these idiots should watch religuluos. this isnt a christian nation because most of the founding fathers did not like religion in the state. a quote from benjamin franklin: "lighthouses are more useful than churches"
    I love it when black people are told to sit down and shut up!

    So far as I know, Ben Franklin built no lighthouses, but did help found a Jewish synoguage.
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    Loonies.
    Entertaining. Unless they happen to be your neighbours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidus Preclarum View Post
    Loonies.
    Entertaining. Unless they happen to be your neighbours.
    Or a major voting bloc in your country.

    But yes, good on Obama to include us who don't Believe in god. When non-theists make up around 16 % of your population then they can't go unmentioned.

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    the black people shouldnt say anything....there are more non-believers in America than black people; 16% to 12% of the population, and these idiots should watch religuluos. this isnt a christian nation because most of the founding fathers did not like religion in the state. a quote from benjamin franklin: "lighthouses are more useful than churches"
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    Quote Originally Posted by saglam2000 View Post
    a quote from benjamin franklin: "lighthouses are more useful than churches"
    Not in Switzerland they're not.
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    This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. I myself am something like a hardline christian -and would never care what a fn president says in his stupid speech even if he wanted to make all America atheist /which it is light years far from/. People have to care about life as it is, not as described in empty speeches, and it was just a fn mentioning ! On top it is not the president business to deal with faith/atheism, they are a product of preach/conviction and have nothing to do with what secular people would think about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TB666 View Post
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    Don't these people have anything better to do ??
    So they have an article where the callers to a conservative radio show represent anything more than the fringe of America?
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    Our new black president has offended the blacks?

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    This would be entertaining if it wasn't so sad. Whatever happened to "religious freedom" or "equality". The bishop is wrong on so many levels. Apparently, he did not even understand what Obama was saying:
    "The overwhelming majority of Americans identify as Christians, and what disturbs me is that he seems to be trying to redefine who we are.’"
    The president did not try to redefine anything. He was merely stating facts. Many Americans are "non-believers" and they are part of the American nation just as much as any other US citizen is. What is wrong with Obama mentioning that fact?

    Why should non-Christian Americans be ignored? Why does America "have to be" a Christian nation, and only a Christian one on top of that? This religious discrimination is similar to racism in a way, actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astaroth View Post
    Why should non-Christian Americans be ignored? Why does America "have to be" a Christian nation, and only a Christian one on top of that? This religious discrimination is similar to racism in a way, actually.
    This cannot be said. The people have the full right to desire whatever their nation they want to be,christian inclusive. The desires and ideals of people are not discrimination, they are simply an expression of their freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracula View Post
    This cannot be said. The people have the full right to desire whatever their nation they want to be,christian inclusive. The desires and ideals of people are not discrimination, they are simply an expression of their freedom.
    I do not have a problem with that at all. But I do have a problem when people of another faith - or non-faith for that matter - are discriminated against. People can want the nation to be Christian, Muslim or anything else for that matter, that's totally fine.

    But refusing to hire people or discriminating against them in another way solely because of their religion should not be tolerated.

    And of course you are right, Farnan. But despite knowing this, some things like this still surprise and irritate me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astaroth View Post
    But refusing to hire people or discriminating against them in another way solely because of their religion should not be tolerated.
    As far as the corporations/employees are free to deem what is best for the enterprise and the good of their people, it will be almost unlawfull to demand that they do anything that they don't think is good for the enterprise. Why the hell must someone interfere ? The only case I would support such interference is when the question is about the dignity of people - places to stand etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracula View Post
    As far as the corporations/employees are free to deem what is best for the enterprise and the good of their people, it will be almost unlawfull to demand that they do anything that they don't think is good for the enterprise. Why the hell must someone interfere ? The only case I would support such interference is when the question is about the dignity of people - places to stand etc.
    An interference must only occur when unlawful discrimination takes place. Discrimination because of things such as race, skin color, gender and also religion.
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    Again...

    Guests and callers to a conservative talk show, what do you expect?

    The host blamed Matthew Shephard for his death, what kind of listeners do you think she has?

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    That's not general, those are three clearly defined criteria + race which pretty much means skin colour in this context.
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