Greece?

[DuDe|Total:war]

I was just wondering about how Greece will be in RS2?

I was playing as the city states, and found it quite.... dull playing and trying to invade Greece. Now that sparta is joined in and other greek/hellenestic factions, will Greece itself compose of more cities? More regions? Sparta will controle what?

Thank for answering , and keep up the good work.

[tone]

Sparta controls Sparta.
The free Greeks have most of the remainder of Greece, but the free people aren't what they were in RS1.5. They're much more varied and a real enemy to fight. Yes there are more regions in Greece generally than in 1.5, so I think it'll be anything but dull.

[Thorn777]

Sparta controls Sparta.
The free Greeks have most of the remainder of Greece, but the free people aren't what they were in RS1.5. They're much more varied and a real enemy to fight. Yes there are more regions in Greece generally than in 1.5, so I think it'll be anything but dull.

Excellent

[paokmam]

Sparta controls Sparta.
The free Greeks have most of the remainder of Greece, but the free people aren't what they were in RS1.5. They're much more varied and a real enemy to fight. Yes there are more regions in Greece generally than in 1.5, so I think it'll be anything but dull.

MMM...nice!

[Father Jack]

In RS2 all I can say is that Greece should be a pretty active warzone with the Macedonians, Free Greeks and Sparta battling it out. It certainly wont be dull.

[Brusilov]

In RS2 all I can say is that Greece should be a pretty active warzone with the Macedonians, Free Greeks and Sparta battling it out. It certainly wont be dull.

As is the rest of the map......

[DoogansQuest]

Yes i can agree to that, since that's what i been testing for three months!
The Free Greeks are very aggressive. Also Athens Greece sends troops in stacks against Corinth. While Sparta tries to rebuild its city state while keeping an eye on Macedonians before they declare war! These troops are far from boring!
As a Spartan fan since RTW came out this is very challenging. and still we are waiting for further updates to retest this faction along with others.

Do we have an updated faction list? I mean, I think the Greek world should have a lot going on to more accurately portray the time, as well as keeping Macedonia from dominating, but there's still the 20 faction limit, right?

How can Syracuse, Pergamum, (free) Greeks, Macedonia, Sparta, and perhaps any other (ie: Rhodes) be a part of the game without drastically taking away from the rest of the world? Has the 20-limit been cracked?

I know that M2TW is a crappy direction to go, but at least it offers 30, does it not? If we could take that feature alone and port it into RTW, that would rule.

/end ramble.

[swhunter]

Yes i can agree to that, since that's what i been testing for three months!
The Free Greeks are very aggressive. Also Athens Greece sends troops in stacks against Corinth. While Sparta tries to rebuild its city state while keeping an eye on Macedonians before they declare war! These troops are far from boring!
As a Spartan fan since RTW came out this is very challenging. and still we are waiting for further updates to retest this faction along with others.

[torzsoktamas]

Yes i can agree to that, since that's what i been testing for three months!
The Free Greeks are very aggressive. Also Athens Greece sends troops in stacks against Corinth. While Sparta tries to rebuild its city state while keeping an eye on Macedonians before they declare war! These troops are far from boring!
As a Spartan fan since RTW came out this is very challenging. and still we are waiting for further updates to retest this faction along with others.

Thats very good!!!!!!!!Now fighting in Greece will be more fun,yeeey!

[tone]

At the moment Keravnos is finalising the starting armies for the various free Greek mini-factions.

[rory o'kane]

syracuse isn't a faction, neither is Rhodes. they are parts of the free greek faction with their own AOR units. the complete RS 2.0 faction list has been posted several times out here, but what the hell:

Rome
Carthage
Macedon
Seleukid Empire
Ptolemaic Kingdom
Averni
Belgae
Secret Celtic faction #3
Cimbri
Secret Spanish Faction
Dacia
Pergamon
Sparta
Pontos
Armenia
Parthia
Scythia
Sarmatia
Free Greeks
Free Barbarians
Free People (The RTW Slave faction)

you'll notice there are 21 factions there - this is the limit for RTW, if you code the Senate out of existence instead of merely having it start the campaign with no settlements (which causes the message "Faction Destroyed: SPQR" to pop up at the start of the campaign), and replace it with another "normal" faction. Useful that. i think most of you will agree that that's a fairly decent spread of factions, given the limits...

[DoogansQuest]

syracuse isn't a faction, neither is Rhodes. they are parts of the free greek faction with their own AOR units. the complete RS 2.0 faction list has been posted several times out here, but what the hell:

Rome
Carthage
Macedon
Seleukid Empire
Ptolemaic Kingdom
Averni
Belgae
Secret Celtic faction #3
Cimbri
Secret Spanish Faction
Dacia
Pergamon
Sparta
Pontos
Armenia
Parthia
Scythia
Sarmatia
Free Greeks
Free Barbarians
Free People (The RTW Slave faction)

you'll notice there are 21 factions there - this is the limit for RTW, if you code the Senate out of existence instead of merely having it start the campaign with no settlements (which causes the message "Faction Destroyed: SPQR" to pop up at the start of the campaign), and replace it with another "normal" faction. Useful that. i think most of you will agree that that's a fairly decent spread of factions, given the limits...

That's actually an impressive list. I like the 3 "free" factions, thus creating a more chaotic set of otherwise easy conquests. The factions I highlighted are of particular interest, as the Gauls, Iberians, and Germans needed to be divided. Not only is it more realistic, but it also gives us more to do in western and northern Europe.

EDIT: I apologize, by the way, as I had not seen the faction list previously.
EDIT2: I will definitely be asking for previews of the map, however, as I have no problems with spoilers.

[Brusilov]

I believe that at some stage there will be 'swap' factions which will allow you to replace some factions with others. I'm not sure how flexible that will be - it may be necessary to remove Sparta to get Syracuse....

[rory o'kane]

Only one faction may be "swapped out" - and that will be Sparta. In other words, a little while after the RS 2.0 release, we'll release a file that will allow you to swap sparta out for, say, Syracuse or the Bosporan Kingdom. you can then play a campaign, do skirmishes with that faction in Sparta's place. Then we might do a few more - but only one faction can be replaced at any one time, and that'll be Sparta, or any other that you've put in Sparta's slot.

[DuDe|Total:war]

Wow im really happy to know this . I wont be asking for any previews of that map cause id like that to be a surprise! But what I would like to know is that will sparta have walls? historicly they said " The cheast of our men will be our walls ". But we all know that the mountains provided very good protection to any invading army... exept the sea. As well will the sea be a more interresting battlezone ? The greeks have had many battles even after the wars beetween sparta and Athens. No one has asked about the navy in RS 2 . Just wondering?

[DuDe|Total:war]

haha . Well I was just wondering about the spanish faction. What happened to spain after carthage fell? I was told once that it was scatterd tribes, big ones, and small ones. I heard this for when Carthage invaded spain. But with the romans .... what happened? and will Carthage control most of iberia?

Im asking this here because if it was just a bunch of tribes, I would remove it and put another city state in its place lol.

[Brusilov]

haha . Well I was just wondering about the spanish faction. What happened to spain after carthage fell? I was told once that it was scatterd tribes, big ones, and small ones. I heard this for when Carthage invaded spain. But with the romans .... what happened? and will Carthage control most of iberia?

Im asking this here because if it was just a bunch of tribes, I would remove it and put another city state in its place lol.

Well, while Hannibal was wandering around Italy for 15 years in the Second Punic War the Romans attacked the Carthage settlements in Iberia - first taking the largest settlement Carthago Nova.

So, I presume Iberia was in Roman hands. I know there were two Roman provinces there.

To get an idea of what was there before Carthage expanded their holdings in Iberia (after the First Punic War) - have a look at RTR VII TIC. There is a fair bit of history posted over at the RTR part of the forum to back up the setting for the mod.

[rory o'kane]

Well, while Hannibal was wandering around Italy for 15 years in the Second Punic War the Romans attacked the Carthage settlements in Iberia - first taking the largest settlement Carthago Nova.

So, I presume Iberia was in Roman hands. I know there were two Roman provinces there.

To get an idea of what was there before Carthage expanded their holdings in Iberia (after the First Punic War) - have a look at RTR VII TIC. There is a fair bit of history posted over at the RTR part of the forum to back up the setting for the mod.

well, by the end of the Second Punic War(201 BC), Rome controlled a fairly sizeable chunk of the Iberian Peninsula - she controlled the entire Mediterranean coast of Spain, and some inland territory as well, shown here:


However, the Iberians were by no means conquered. Rome had to fight several wars during the 2nd and 1st centuries BC to gain control of the rest of the peninsula, suffering several defeats in the process. It took until 19 BC to completely conquer the entire peninsula, when Augustus crushed the last free tribe in spain - the Cantabrians.
the map below shows the phases of the Roman conquest.

[Douchebag]

so your telling me that it took 100+ yrs just to take over spain? jesus, didnt know the Iberians were that tough.

[rory o'kane]

almost 200 years, though admittedly it wasn't two centuries of constant warfare... there were a few rebellions as well. this is why Caesar's Gallic Wars are so impressive - in something like 7 years (58 BC - 51BC) he managed to subjugate an area of similar size and greater population.