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    The Israel Air Force attacked targets in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday afternoon, hours after an Israeli soldier was killed and three others were wounded in a Palestinian-rigged bomb attack near the border. The soldier, who served as an NCO in the army, was killed when a roadside bomb exploded near an Israel Defense Forces patrol along the Gaza border, near the Kissufim crossing.

    Egypt also refused entry to the Suez Canal to an Iranian ship laden with weapons and bound for Gaza.



    Palestinian witnesses also said by late Tuesday afternoon that Israeli tanks could be seen rolling into the Gaza Strip.

    The incident near the border was the first deadly attack carried out by Palestinian militants since a cease-fire went into effect in the coastal strip 10 days ago.

    The wounded Israelis were identified as an officer, who sustained serious wounds, and an additional NCO and soldier, who were lightly hurt. The wounded were taken for treatment to the Soroka hospital in Be'er Sheva. The soldiers' families have been informed of the incident.

    A Palestinian was reportedly killed in ensuing clashes between IDF soldiers and Gaza militants in the area. Heavy gunfire was audible along the border in central Gaza and Israeli helicopters hovered in the air, firing bursts from their machine guns, Palestinian witnesses said.

    Gaza medical workers identified the Palestinian killed as a farmer.

    Later Tuesday, the Israel Air Force targeted a motorcycle in the southern Gaza Strip, critically wounding two people, Hamas and Palestinian medical officials said. One of those wounded was a Hamas militant, said group spirces.

    Hamas: Israel to blame for renewed violence

    A political source in Jerusalem said that Israel must respond strongly and fiercely.

    Although there was no claim of responsibility for Tuesday's attack on the IDF soldiers, Mushir al-Masri, a Hamas leader, said Israel was to blame for continuing to fire into Gaza. Al-Masri said his group had not agreed to a full cease-fire but only to a lull in fighting.

    "The Zionists are responsible for any aggression," he said.

    Israel has warned that it would respond harshly to any violations of the cease-fire, which ended the Israel Defense Forces' 22-day offensive against Hamas in Gaza.

    Israel's stated goals in the campaign were the halting of cross-border rocket fire, the destruction of Hamas' infrastructure and the restoring of its deterrence. After the operation, Israel declared that it had achieved its objectives.
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    Although there was no claim of responsibility for Tuesday's attack on the IDF soldiers, Mushir al-Masri, a Hamas leader, said Israel was to blame for continuing to fire into Gaza. Al-Masri said his group had not agreed to a full cease-fire but only to a lull in fighting.
    An Israeli soldier gets killed by a Hamas bomb and it's Israels fault for responding? typhical. Israel clearly stated that any attack on Israelis while the truce is on will result in immidiate respond from the IDF. They should not cry on it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree151 View Post
    An Israeli soldier gets killed by a Hamas bomb and it's Israels fault for responding? typhical. Israel clearly stated that any attack on Israelis while the truce is on will result in immidiate respond from the IDF. They should not cry on it now.
    nobody claimed responibility - how do U know it was hamas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlerich View Post
    nobody claimed responibility - how do U know it was hamas
    If palestinians/hamas cannot control their own territory, then it is expected neighbours to be wary: would you like to live near border where anything can happen?

    And those who post that better dead soldier than civilians are out of reality: Israeli taxpayers pay for IDF to protect them not palestinians.

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    When was the bomb placed anyway?

    And secondly, I'm sure the Palestinians might be feeling a little fractious right now.
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    Thats about the least non-biased site I have ever seen...but good for a laugh.
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    Are not both Israel and Palestine fighting a defensive war?
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    Hmm... odd site... only "Israel attacks..., Israel threats..., Israel denies..." though, not even one of the articles is known by anyone in Israel, nothing in the news, nothing from the military... That is clearly a Pro-Hamas site only, which does not show the other side of the conflict.

    Even on the country based news, there's Palestine and not Israel. If the site is realy truthtelling, then it's probably from BEFORE the year of 1948.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree151 View Post
    Hmm... odd site... only "Israel attacks..., Israel threats..., Israel denies..." though, not even one of the articles is known by anyone in Israel, nothing in the news, nothing from the military... That is clearly a Pro-Hamas site only, which does not show the other side of the conflict.

    Even on the country based news, there's Palestine and not Israel. If the site is realy truthtelling, then it's probably from BEFORE the year of 1948.
    well of course israel wouldnt talk about it... but if u wish this is confirmed by fox news, a conservative source

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481424,00.html

    and just wondering wat source did ur article come from?


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    If neither can accept blame, then they are both at fault. em. em all.
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    Is this thread going to be anything else but ''this source is bias, and this one isn't""?
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    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
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    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
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    well of course israel wouldnt talk about it... but if u wish this is confirmed by fox news, a conservative source

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481424,00.html
    Oh, you'd be surprised on how much the Israeli media condemns Israeli actions, but non of those actions are the ones stated in the Press TV site.

    Oh, and as stated in the article of the Foxnews, if it's true, then it's stated that the gunboat fired at a fishing boat that was straying from the borders. who knows what "fish" were on this boat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree151 View Post
    Oh, you'd be surprised on how much the Israeli media condemns Israeli actions, but non of those actions are the ones stated in the Press TV site.

    Oh, and as stated in the article of the Foxnews, if it's true, then it's stated that the gunboat fired at a fishing boat that was straying from the borders. who knows what "fish" were on this boat?
    Who knows indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree151 View Post
    Oh, you'd be surprised on how much the Israeli media condemns Israeli actions, but non of those actions are the ones stated in the Press TV site.

    Oh, and as stated in the article of the Foxnews, if it's true, then it's stated that the gunboat fired at a fishing boat that was straying from the borders. who knows what "fish" were on this boat?
    Not one-sided at all. '' An Israeli soldier gets killed by a Hamas bomb and it's Israels fault for responding? typhical. Israel clearly stated that any attack on Israelis while the truce is on will result in immidiate respond from the IDF. They should not cry on it now. Oh, wait, Israel attacked first? Oh well, they were probably terrorists anyway.''
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Not one-sided at all. '' An Israeli soldier gets killed by a Hamas bomb and it's Israels fault for responding? typhical. Israel clearly stated that any attack on Israelis while the truce is on will result in immidiate respond from the IDF. They should not cry on it now. Oh, wait, Israel attacked first? Oh well, they were probably terrorists anyway.''
    Israel RESPONDED first to the bomb that blew up one of it's soldiers and wounded 3 others. I'm sure no soldier will just go "Oh darn! another bomb blew up and killed one of our soldiers. I didn't like him anyway".

    It's justified for Israel to respond to this just as it's justified for Gaza to respond if Israel was breaching the cease-fire first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tree151 View Post
    Israel RESPONDED first to the bomb that blew up one of it's soldiers and wounded 3 others. I'm sure no soldier will just go "Oh darn! another bomb blew up and killed one of our soldiers. I didn't like him anyway".

    It's justified for Israel to respond to this just as it's justified for Gaza to respond if Israel was breaching the cease-fire first.
    What are you talking about? I was refering to the gunboats destroying a fishboat, and also damaging a refugee camp on 22 January, whilst the actions you refer took place, according to Barnaby with out specifying a source, ''hours ago''.

    Hamas are just soooo smart, aren't they.

    Israel is perfectly justified in this. Hamas can't blame anyone but themselves for restarting the fighting.
    The bombs are most likely a response to the Israeli gunboat taking down a fishing boat that strayed off limits, damaging a refugee camp and injuring several people in refugee camps. As already mentioned. Israel launched offensives for less casualties than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Quote Originally Posted by tree151 View Post
    Oh, you'd be surprised on how much the Israeli media condemns Israeli actions, but non of those actions are the ones stated in the Press TV site.

    Oh, and as stated in the article of the Foxnews, if it's true, then it's stated that the gunboat fired at a fishing boat that was straying from the borders. who knows what "fish" were on this boat?
    tuna? well point is it hit a UN aid distribution center... u guys broke ceasefire 1st so...


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    A slow clap for Hamas.

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    A slow clap for Hamas.
    I'd prefer a good bye wave at this point .

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