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    Default MSNBC Morning Joe goes psycho on Ron Paul

    Did anyone see that? It just happened, there's no videos on it yet, but the whole crew treated him like a child.

    Was he talking about 9/11? OMGGOLD? No, just standard capitalist economics (He does have a masters in it, after all...).

    They had been nuts earlier on Chris Tucker, with "Money Party" crying and throwing a temper tantrum.

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    So these are the topics I'd like to start with:
    1) What Ron Paul said during the interview. Videos and transcripts will be posted when available.
    2) What the Morning Joe crew "said" (more like screamed/grunted).
    3) Why exactly is Morning Joe so crazy-pants?

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    This is exactly why we need journalists with degrees in things other than "journalism." It's a waste, they'd be better serve with a degree in underwater fire prevention.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    I guess there wasn't THAT much drama.

    Meh, I didn't watch it, just listened to it when it happened. It had seemed to me that the crew was pretty exasperated.

    I did see at the end of the "show", money party was slamming paul during the recap. "One thing we learned was Ron Paul has no ideas and want's 20 million people to lose their jobs," said in the most d-bag way possible.

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    Thanks for the vid btw!

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    well ron paul is right, there is no way to fix the problem without alot of people losing their jobs and spending/borrowing to be cut. When all the bad juju is taken out of the market, it allows new juju to be created. governments can only spend money, private industry can create it.

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    At least they highlighted the fact that just about everything Paul says comes from a critical standpoint. Not bothering to actually give any suggestions until he was cornered and then mumbling out something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberias View Post
    At least they highlighted the fact that just about everything Paul says comes from a critical standpoint. Not bothering to actually give any suggestions until he was cornered and then mumbling out something.
    his main suggestion is

    a) cut spending.
    b) free market (which will by itself correct the rest).

    I dont understand why this concept is so hard to comprehend. we cant have free market-based decisions why? because it is not an Obama-approved policy or something? American govt is currently throwing hundreds of billions of tax payers money on something that is not even working.

    I certainly expected this kind of level of boundless stupidity and lack of professionalism from idiots in Kremlin, and certainly not from Washington. I guess I should take some level of comfort that it is not only Russia that is governed by complete financial morons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerbear View Post
    his main suggestion is

    a) cut spending.
    b) free market (which will by itself correct the rest).

    I dont understand why this concept is so hard to comprehend. we cant have free market-based decisions why? because it is not an Obama-approved policy or something? American govt is currently throwing hundreds of billions of tax payers money on something that is not even working.
    Eh Free Market is the reason why this crisis has occurred, or are we just ignoring that now? Market forces don't take into regard your own personal welfare or how many jobs people have lost. Or is that sufficient justification? making workers pay for a blunder that was caused by Wall street fat cats and right wing goofs in Washington who blabber out what you just said, then are completely surprised when a damn crisis starts happening but still persist in their own unfounded beliefs. That the all knowing market has a conscious of its own works for the betterment of humankind and can regulate itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerbear View Post
    I certainly expected this kind of level of boundless stupidity and lack of professionalism from idiots in Kremlin, and certainly not from Washington. I guess I should take some level of comfort that it is not only Russia that is governed by complete financial morons.
    Yet the majority of economists (not from da Kremlin) during pre election when both candidates unveiled their economic policies, agreed that Obama's economic policy was the most sounds. A far better proposal than anything from people like John McCain who like Paul yanked about free market like it was the solution to everyone’s problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiberias View Post
    Eh Free Market is the reason why this crisis has occurred, or are we just ignoring that now? Market forces don't take into regard your own personal welfare or how many jobs people have lost. Or is that sufficient justification? making workers pay for a blunder that was caused by Wall street fat cats and right wing goofs in Washington who blabber out what you just said, then are completely surprised when a damn crisis starts happening but still persist in their own unfounded beliefs that the all knowing market has a conscious of its own works for the betterment of humankind and can regulate itself.



    Yet the majority of economists (not from da Kremlin) during pre election when both candidates unveiled their economic policies, agreed that Obama's economic policy was the most sounds. A far better proposal than anything from people like John McCain who like Paul yanked about free market like it was the solution to everyone’s problems.

    oh please! free-market doesnt exist in this country anymore. under the free-market you would have never seen these subprime loans being given out because of market fears. But when the clinton administration not only sanctioned subprime loans but encouraged them with the backing of the fed, then everyone went hog wild. The free market tends to police itself quite well, people dont take to many risks and when they do, they fail and are absorbed by other companies. When the govt, bails people out, the market sees this welfare and continues on with its bad practices realizing that if they fail, the government will help them out. The whole crisis would have been avoided had it not been for the idiots in charge of the govt. The market just tries to get away with whatever it can, we can expect that kind of greed, but the greed is minimized until the govt steps in and regulates/bails people out.

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    Typical MSNBC....

    no wonder why they have the lowest ratings..

    they treat Republicans like trash and Democrats like gods..
    Last edited by touchmaster; January 27, 2009 at 09:08 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vizigothe View Post
    That pretty much sums up what the democrats are doing...


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    Quote Originally Posted by touchmaster View Post
    That pretty much sums up what the democrats are doing...
    eHeHA!

    No that sums up the governments job. It is a cancer and a poison. It should be given the smallest amount of authority we can afford to give it, and killed often.

    And the economic problem of today is a cause of years of systematic stupidity by both parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizigothe View Post
    exactly. I am afraid we will do the same thing to our own worthless dollars if these bailouts continue at the same pace. whoever wasnt finished off by depression will be surely as hell finished off by inflation.

    touchmaster - the current financial crisis is clearly a product of bi-partisan activities. republicans in the last 8 years have been just as guilty in wasteful spending as the democrats. although I have no shadow of the doubt that democrats will give it a whole new dimension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerbear View Post
    exactly. I am afraid we will do the same thing to our own worthless dollars if these bailouts continue at the same pace. whoever wasnt finished off by depression will be surely as hell finished off by inflation.

    touchmaster - the current financial crisis is clearly a product of bi-partisan activities. republicans in the last 8 years have been just as guilty in wasteful spending as the democrats. although I have no shadow of the doubt that democrats will give it a whole new dimension.
    While I agree the financial crisis is bipartisan, the bailouts are coming from the Democratic congress and obama..


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    i think ron paul raises an immense point: defence spending is insane even in the midst of an economic meltdown
    , check out this article:
    The United States spends hundreds of billions of dollars each year on its military. Part of the budget funds a worldwide network of bases, including sites in former Soviet republics.
    The U.S. has 6,000 military bases on its own territory and huge numbers of military facilities abroad - more than any other country in the world.

    Experts estimate the number of units to be from 600 to over 800 spread over 130 countries.

    Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen believes many of the locations are kept secret.

    "Recently, there was an incident where an Air Force enlisted man crashed into a wedding procession in Lithuania. It turns out he was attached to an air base in Lithuania. So every day we find out about additional U.S. bases that we haven't heard of in the past," Madsen said.

    Why the secrecy? Author and expert in U.S. military bases overseas, Alexander Cooley, says host countries often prefer to keep quiet about the bases.

    "As U.S. legitimacy has declined, host country governments have been less willing to publicly be associated with the U.S.," Cooley says.

    However, that is not true for all governments.

    Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili welcomes the idea of an American presence on Georgian territory and has reportedly offered the U.S. several thousand hectares of land to use for military bases.

    Often, smaller countries like former soviet republic, Kyrygyzstan, allow bases to be set up on their territory for financial reasons.

    However, the Georgian president is willing to waive rent and has offered the land with a 90-year lease.

    "Georgia wants continuous and prolonged security engagement with the United States and with the West more broadly. Especially now that it sees that its path to EuroAtlantic integration has in some way been stymied. It perceives that a security relationship with the U.S. is the best way to guarantee that EuroAtlantic orientation," Cooley said.

    "So, any offer of Georgian territory or facilities to the United States or to NATO members is an attempt to lock in that kind of security interest and that type of engagement." he added.

    Meanwhile, some analysts say the United States doesn’t need about a quarter of the military bases it has around the world.

    Moreover, as Wayne Madsen says, the US simply can’t afford them any more.

    “We won’t be able to pay for many of these bases and we may soon see many of these being closed down," he said.

    Last year, the United States spent almost as much on its military as the rest of the world put together devoted to defence.

    And all this at a time when taxpayers have been counting pennies to make ends meet.

    By cutting spending on the military, the United States could massively increase the amount it invests in the needs of ordinary people.

    But there are analysts who warn that the new president will not dramatically curtail America’s ambitious military policies.
    source: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=12025

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    Don't worry, the government will solve the economic crisis, it has never let us down before!
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    how bought we just cut our military and foreign aid, and have this problem fixed within a few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheuch13 View Post
    how bought we just cut our military and foreign aid, and have this problem fixed within a few years.
    I know, right?
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    Scheuch, FF, cut that nonsense out!
    for-profit death machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trey View Post
    Scheuch, FF, cut that nonsense out!
    and what nonsense is that?

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