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    My previous entrance to this part of the forums has stirred up quite the hornet's nest from what I like to call the New Party. I use Party in the political sense, and by New Party I mean the somewhat new political movement of fanatical political correctness and extreme multiculturalism (extreme as in the belief that other cultures are as good or better than our own Western heritage, and thus preserving the West is immoral). My thinkings on the fate of the British Commonwealth have led me to reflect on the Anglosphere.

    By Anglosphere, I mean the English-speaking peoples whose legal, political, cultural, linguistic and religious traditions descend from Britain and Magna Carta. The United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and I would include India as well, given its growth as an English-speaking centre. United by a language first and foremost (though that language tends to be denigrated by the young people of today, but that's another topic), and through that language the Anglosphere inherits a view of the world that is quite distinguishable from continental Europe's. One may even consider the Anglosphere the 'West of the West', as it were.

    In the past, the Anglosphere has shaped the course of history by standing united against Prussian militarism in the First World War, Fascism in the Second, and the tides of autocratic and tyrannical communism in the Cold War. As the Anglosphere entered the 21st century, a fourth threat emerged, what I have dubbed 'Islamism'. Now, it is important to note at this point the difference between Islam the religion and Islamism the political force. Muslims are, on a whole, and from my personal experience, reasonable and lovely people who are just as disgusted as we are by the extremists of their religion, and in fact moreso as they know that their religion is twisted by that. Islamists are the fundamentalists and extremists who see the rest of the world as inferior to themselves, and seek nothing less than the destruction of the West as a political force and its replacement by the Middle East. So we must ask ourselves: Will the Anglosphere once again unite against this threat not only to our liberty and well-being, but the well-being of those people who suffer until Islamist regimes, like those who suffered under the Taliban before the NATO invasion of Afghanistan. I don't believe there's anything wrong with Islam as a religion, just like there's nothing wrong with Judaism or Christianity. But when it is twisted to extremes, like Islamism does, it becomes a monstrous thing. So will the Anglosphere once again shield us?

    This is a distressingly open question. Extreme multiculturalism has led to a sort of cultural relativism by which our own belief in the English-speaking countries is undermined, and the Anglosphere's strength sapped. The immigration from denigrated Third World Muslim countries to the West is not a surprising fact, when your own country is crappy you naturally wish to move to somewhere better. However, because of extreme multiculturalism, we are no longer intergrating immigrants. We are no longer even trying to win them over to our language and outlook, we are surrending what the Anglosphere stood for and letting the fundamentalist minority of those Muslim newcomers be open with their extremist beliefs and murderous intentions for the West, all in the belief that we have to be perfectly accepting and accomadating for every aspect of a foreign culture, even at the cost of our own, and even when it's clearly not for the best.

    Now, my rantings may have led some of you to the conclusion that I am a Right-winger terrified of the 'Asian Menace' or some such bollocks. I assure you I am not. I am an unabashed Whig, or Liberal, or Democrat if you prefer. I quite enjoy my Muslim neighbors presence in Canada, and I think that many cultures make a nation a much richer place to live in. HOWEVER, my Muslim neighbors are moderates, they are reasonable people, they have intergrated into Canada, they speak English fluently, they don't seek to impose their religion and culture on their new surroundings, they are Muslims, not Islamists.

    Despite the kind of cultural guilt many people feel for the imperialism in the Anglosphere's past, we must acknowledge that the world would be a far nastier place if it hadn't been for the Anglosphere. And the world will be a far nastier place if we English-speakers don't get our act together. Again.
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    So what will be the acts that will be followed by the Anglosphere, what do you expect them to do?.
    And also Anglosphere = America, all the other can act as together as much as they want that without the states they arent going to mean anything. From my point of view the states are more a multinational country able to lead the world by other more interesting flags than the Anglosphere.

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    The Anglo-Saxon world is fast in decline. India should probably not be considered a part of it, the cultural differences are very great, and there's no love lost between Britain and India and the US (Consider the renaming of Bombay and Calcuta). The US is likely to continue it's decline, Britain has all but collapsed, and Canada, Australia and New Zealand are never going to be world powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Super Pope View Post
    The Anglo-Saxon world is fast in decline. India should probably not be considered a part of it, the cultural differences are very great, and there's no love lost between Britain and India and the US (Consider the renaming of Bombay and Calcuta). The US is likely to continue it's decline, Britain has all but collapsed, and Canada, Australia and New Zealand are never going to be world powers.
    I agree about India not being part of the Anglosphere and about Australia + Canada + New Zealand never going to be superpowers but I completely disagree that Britain has 'all but collapsed'. As a Brit I might not be taken seriously on this but take a look at the facts - the UK has the 5th Largest economy in the world (in terms of actually cash rather than PPP), the 4th largest Military budget in the world (officially its the 2nd because China and Russia lie about how much they spend), and its a major player in the EU, a nuclear power and a UN Security Council member. The UK is never going to be a super power again but its been a stable medium sized power for 30 years - its decline was during decolonization not after. The US is definitely the most important part of the Anglosphere but the UK has some international weight and Australia has some regional power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elrond View Post
    I agree about India not being part of the Anglosphere and about Australia + Canada + New Zealand never going to be superpowers but I completely disagree that Britain has 'all but collapsed'. As a Brit I might not be taken seriously on this but take a look at the facts - the UK has the 5th Largest economy in the world (in terms of actually cash rather than PPP), the 4th largest Military budget in the world (officially its the 2nd because China and Russia lie about how much they spend), and its a major player in the EU, a nuclear power and a UN Security Council member. The UK is never going to be a super power again but its been a stable medium sized power for 30 years - its decline was during decolonization not after. The US is definitely the most important part of the Anglosphere but the UK has some international weight and Australia has some regional power.
    I'm also British. Britain is second-fiddle in the EU, France and Germany are the heart of it. Nuclear power is not neccessarily a guarantee of global power= Pakistan, Belarus.
    Britain is terrified of joining the EU completly because we're worried we'll lose our security council place, and worried with good reason.

    Britain remains a great power, but it occupies a position akin to Italy or Austria-Hungary in 1914, a great power more by convenience than merit. Britain's greatest asset is our international prestige, think of places like Mozambique joining the Commonwealth and the PLO applying for membership. Britain remains a strong power, but she will only decline.

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    God Bless Eric.
    According to the Theory of War, which teaches that the best way to avoid the inconvenience of war is to pursue it away from your own country, it is more sensible for us to fight our notorious enemy in his own realm, with the joint power of our allies, than it is to wait for him at our own doors.

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    A man who sees that nothing is inevitable. And that trends can be reversible.
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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiljan Arslan View Post
    A man who sees that nothing is inevitable. And that trends can be reversible.
    a man who makes plastic paddys seem like reasonable people.

    his quest for a rebuilt british empire is quite silly, nor really understandable.
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    I think it makes sense to form a confederation of countries with a common history, common cultures, economies.
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    Why is the Anglosphere "The West of the West", if when what posterity would call Western world emerged, the Anglos and the Saxons were nothing more than "half-civilized barbarians dancing in the woods somewhere in the north German midland"?

    I would also question the OP's assumption that the world would be a far "nastier" place without the Anglosphere. I do not believe that, if nation X or Y did not exist, the world would turn out much worse - or much better, for that matter.
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    it, without willem the 3e there would be a dutchosphere....
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    Proud anglophones, stand up to the brutal oppresion inflicted on you by the evil scheming easterners. Remember the great numbers of Anglophone dead caused by Muslim invasions of our countries. Remember the tyranies of the brutal regimes Muslims have created and supported in our lands. Remember the children starved by Muslims blockades of our countries. Remember the troops Muslims have stationed in our Holy Lands. Our freedom and liberty are at risk from the Muslim superpowers. The largest of their countries spends as much on its military each year as the rest of the world put together. Surely, they are a great danger to all of us.

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    Eric,

    Again, an admirable effort to start a great debate on the meaning of things such as community, nationalism, identity, and collective cultural memories of the past and visions of the future.

    I respect the non-biased ways you frame your ideas and make suggestions as to what the future could look like for Anglo/British folk of all countries. Your idea of the "West of the West" is a good one - I think there's always much confusion as to what the "West" is, and I see a thread has been started elsewhere on this very subject.

    This thread raises another issue for me - why is that when a natural disaster occurs in the world, or if an evil dictator needs brow-beating, or an issue such as piracy resolved - that "the world" appeals to the West, and in particular the Anglosphere for action first? I'd suggest it's because people know that the Anglosphere has political kudos, it often (but not always) stands for justice and fairnessis, and is usually the most willing to help. Isn't there a conflict here with people who think the Anglosphere is corrupt, outdated, and comes from a tyrannical past? :hmmm:

    While I fear that your thread will be swamped by nay-sayers and people for whom "the glass is always half-empty", I support your views and eagerly await some constructive comments from Arslan, Edward III, Dracula, Lord Claremorris et al.

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    Constructive comments from Dracula, that's a good one

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    making up words....nice, and i dont think the "anglosphere" isnt really that important, i mean i dont mind if i was speaking german or swedish right now. anyway why was WW1 Germany so bad? it was like every nation in Europe but now it is refered to being a naughty boy. WW2 Germany was ed up BUT there would have been no WW2 Germany if Germany won the first war. So in a sense the "anglosphere" caused the holocaust and Hitler indirectly. so i'm just saying the "anglosphere" has ed up the world more than enough times, so stop talking like a hypocrit saying how the "anglosphere" defended the world and stuff when they actually indirectly or directly caused all the ing up in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saglam2000 View Post
    making up words....nice, and i dont think the "anglosphere" isnt really that important, i mean i dont mind if i was speaking german or swedish right now. anyway why was WW1 Germany so bad? it was like every nation in Europe but now it is refered to being a naughty boy. WW2 Germany was ed up BUT there would have been no WW2 Germany if Germany won the first war. So in a sense the "anglosphere" caused the holocaust and Hitler indirectly. so i'm just saying the "anglosphere" has ed up the world more than enough times, so stop talking like a hypocrit saying how the "anglosphere" defended the world and stuff when they actually indirectly or directly caused all the ing up in the world.
    What? According to you, Britain, the Commonwealth and the US caused the holocaust. That is possibly the most idiotic and disrespectful thing anyone has ever said on these forums. Clearly, you know all about WWI and WWII.

    What you're saying is, the West should have deliberately lost WWI? Britain fought in WWI because she guaranteed Belgian indpendence, the US joined because her civilians were being attacked by German U-Boats

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    What? According to you, Britain, the Commonwealth and the US caused the holocaust. That is possibly the most idiotic and disrespectful thing anyone has ever said on these forums. Clearly, you know all about WWI and WWII.

    What you're saying is, the West should have deliberately lost WWI? Britain fought in WWI because she guaranteed Belgian indpendence, the US joined because her civilians were being attacked by German U-Boats
    they did cause the holocaust indirectly, if Germany won there would be no Hitler which means no holocaust and i never said they should have lost the war, i'm saying people should acknowledge that the allies accidentally caused the holocaust
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    Quote Originally Posted by saglam2000 View Post
    they did cause the holocaust indirectly, if Germany won there would be no Hitler which means no holocaust and i never said they should have lost the war, i'm saying people should acknowledge that the allies accidentally caused the holocaust
    Haha the anti-Jewish sentiment that Hitler played into Germany had existed prior to the Weimar Republic, Prior to Hitler, Prior to World War I. It wasn't as if suddenly in the mid 1930's the German people en masse decided to become complicit in murder. The stereotypes and prejudices against Jews had long been a factor in German and European society as a whole. We need only look at the mass slaughter of jews in York in the 13th century to back up this idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saglam2000 View Post
    they did cause the holocaust indirectly, if Germany won there would be no Hitler which means no holocaust and i never said they should have lost the war, i'm saying people should acknowledge that the allies accidentally caused the holocaust
    What a load of rubbish. I may aswell say that the Ottamen Empire caused the holocaust by not fighting hard enough along with the Germans.

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