Ron Paul on the Gaza issue

[Tajir]

Every word he utters reassures me that I voted for the right man.

He has balls to speak and a heart which to speak it from.

[Heinz Guderian]

They chose a black man over this guy? Only in america.

/ROLLS EYES

[Icefrisco]

I really dislike Ron Paul and now I do even more than ever. I agree that we should stay out but Ron Paul seems to be hinting at isolationism which is not good. We have to support our allys in the world or else we are going to have to send in our own soldiers to some of these hotspots. Ron Paul seems to feel everything will just work itself out. That doesn't happen.

[Panzerbear]

100% will sign up under each single word of his. however, speaking the truth has never been anything to do with big politics. and AIPAC will make sure that Ron Paul will never be anywhere near white house...

[Denny Crane!]

Very good.

[Valiant Champion]

I am not a sheep. Just because I agree with Ron Paul on some things doesnt mean I agree with him on everything. The US needs to support Isreal.

[Panzerbear]

The US needs to support Isreal.

and why is that? Israel needs to be responsible for its own actions and its own welfare (and not US taxpayers).

[Zephyrus]

and why is that? Israel needs to be responsible for its own actions and its own welfare (and not US taxpayers).

QFT.

[Last Roman]

The US needs to support Isreal.

why? what do they provide in return?

looking from all angles, from a humanitarian/idealist to a realpolitik view, Israel has been nothing but trouble for us.

[Valiant Champion]

why? what do they provide in return?

looking from all angles, from a humanitarian/idealist to a realpolitik view, Israel has been nothing but trouble for us.

As i mentioned earlier. We get first hand access to scientific breakthroughs and products from Isreal. The Jews are very intelligent people by nature. Einstein was Jewish. Isreal doesnt need our Tanks, The Merkava is the best armored fighting vehicle in the world. They design their own combat rifles. The only help they get from us would be the fighter planes, helicopters and surface ships and anti-missile/ missile systems they purchase from us.

They dont require US financial aid. Their own people the world over fork them more money than they know what to do with.

All the US is really doing to backing them in case they were invaded but since they have done a really good job of taking care of themselves we have hardly had to do that. The main reason for that is there is a huge population of American citizens in Isreal. So we have a legitimate reason for backing Isreal.

[Last Roman]

As i mentioned earlier. We get first hand access to scientific breakthroughs and products from Isreal. The Jews are very intelligent people by nature. Einstein was Jewish.

you lost me as soon as you spouted stereotypes, especially such a cliche one. As for your other reasons, the are hardly good enough to support them as much as we have throughout the years. Sure, I'm all for an Israeli state, but what the US has done for them is beyond ridiculous.

[Zephyrus]

As i mentioned earlier. We get first hand access to scientific breakthroughs and products from Isreal. The Jews are very intelligent people by nature. Einstein was Jewish. Isreal doesnt need our Tanks, The Merkava is the best armored fighting vehicle in the world. They design their own combat rifles. The only help they get from us would be the fighter planes, helicopters and surface ships and anti-missile/ missile systems they purchase from us.

They dont require US financial aid. Their own people the world over fork them more money than they know what to do with.

All the US is really doing to backing them in case they were invaded but since they have done a really good job of taking care of themselves we have hardly had to do that. The main reason for that is there is a huge population of American citizens in Isreal. So we have a legitimate reason for backing Isreal.

Its ironic that i find this exact same type of rhetoric outlined in Mein Kampf. Of course, that was in reference to Aryan ideaology.

Are you saying the Israelis are genetically smarter than everyone else? :hmmm:

Seems like just another, typical way of asking for a fight...perhaps we should give our women over to the israeli master race, just to increase the intellectuality of the future generations to come and spare them the agony of wiping us out with their super psychic powers and large brains?

[Georgy Zhukov]

Are you saying the Israelis are genetically smarter than everyone else? :hmmm:

He said Jews are an intelligent people, not smarter then everyone else.

[Mikelus Trento]

I am not a sheep. Just because I agree with Ron Paul on some things doesnt mean I agree with him on everything. The US needs to support Isreal.

No, that is a misstep.

The USA needs to be fair to everyone.

[Da Skinna]

Supporting Israel doesn't necessarily mean supporting peace.

Peace does not choose sides. It is a ground and a faction and it seems everyone wants their flag the highest on the ground of peace.

[Markas]

He couldn't say a fraction of what he said if he were President. Better he not be.

[Каие]

God bless Ron Paul. The only member of congress with a spine, with principal and who seems to be immune to lobbyists.

[Aziel]

God bless Ron Paul. The only member of congress with a spine, with principal and who seems to be immune to lobbyists.

You mean: Ron Paul agrees with me, therefore he has huge balls, and anyone who doesn't agree with me is a spinless scum.

and why is that? Israel needs to be responsible for its own actions and its own welfare (and not US taxpayers).

The American money is just a way to ensure the US will have large effect on Israel. Israel can, economically, hendle itself without the 3 billion dollars [nothing in terms of Israeli budget]. For instance, in return to the US aid, Israel has to buy weaponry from American industry only, has to make weapon deals with the US or other NATO members [it has prevented a weapon deal Israel had with Chine or India IIRC], and it has huge effect on Israeli foreign policy.

[Kiljan Arslan]

God bless Ron Paul. The only member of congress with a spine, with principal and who seems to be immune to lobbyists.

Yeah he's just insane. Remember how he claimned there would be a coup on the 21st? DIdn't happen.

[Astaroth]

I do not agree with Ron Paul's points here. His argument goes basically like this: if the US keeps Israel as a close ally, it will inevitably anger the Muslim states. According to Paul, this will create more enemies for the US, resulting in more money having to be spent on the military, ruining the US economy.

However, is keeping out of everything really a solution for the most powerful country in the globalized world of the 21st century? Is it a realistic position to simply drop your longtime allies because their actions might anger other countries? The US should not base its actions on fear.

Furthermore, Israel is an important US ally in the Middle East - it is democratic, wealthy and powerfull. Its loss as a close partner would be disastrous.

Last but not least, if the US stopped supporting Israel, America would lose even more of its credibility. If the United States began dropping their allies like hot potatoes, who would be willing to ally with them anymore?