Counter the tims

**ChewieMuse** · January 23, 2009, 10:10 AM

Ok so I have the manpower but I don't want to spend so much on armies to defeat the timurids...so what are the best units to counter thier elephants and archer horses...I figured cannons and mounted archers...would that work?I'm Denmark by the way just so you guys know and I have from the top of Africa to Constantinople...north side (Europe)

**Pink Beard** · January 23, 2009, 10:13 AM

perhaps use the "search" function? perhaps you have more luck... this question has been asked alot before

anyways to fight their elephants use anything with big (fire) power like cannons (will also make elephants run amok, hopefully killing the timmy's army)

**ChewieMuse** · January 23, 2009, 10:16 AM

I'm on an iPod I don't really have the bandwith to be cruising the servers at the moment lol... But anyways thanks....yea I figured it would be cannons

**Silent Assassin** · January 23, 2009, 10:17 AM

Like Pink said Any missile troops are good cannons, fire

**ChewieMuse** · January 23, 2009, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Rebel6666

Like Pink said Any missile troops are good cannons, fire

Like flaming arrows?

**Pink Beard** · January 23, 2009, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by ChewieMuse

Like flaming arrows?

i doubt fire will kill them but it sure is a good way to make 'm run!

**Silent Assassin** · January 23, 2009, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by ChewieMuse

Like flaming arrows?

Originally Posted by Pink Beard

i doubt fire will kill them but it sure is a good way to make 'm run!

Ok so no it won't kill them but fire is a bid moral killer. With elephants it's waht you want to do kill their moral in that way the will run AMOK and will kill their own

**ChewieMuse** · January 23, 2009, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Rebel6666

Ok so no it won't kill them but fire is a bid moral killer. With elephants it's waht you want to do kill their moral in that way the will run AMOK and will kill their own

Yaaay...I can't wait to finally kick their huge arses

**Muagan_ra** · January 23, 2009, 10:44 AM

I've found artillery to be indespensible when fighting the Mongols, and I'm going to assume that they're just as handy for Timurids. Grand Bombards are my weapon of choice, wonderful for head hunting generals and generally thinning the herd - I imagine they would do wonders for making Elephants panic and rampage through their forces.

I'd advise the use of Crossbows over Archers, for the armour piercing quality.

**colin666** · January 23, 2009, 06:04 PM

Javelin troops are generally way overpowered against elephants so I'd suggest some javs in your front line with some type of archer and cannon to back them up over longer distances, with your choice of melee infantry/

**Owain Glyndŵr** · January 23, 2009, 08:04 PM

Seeing as Denmark has no javelins and their archers aren't all that good, I'd stick with good ol' heavy artillery. Use heavily armoured militia to protect your artillery and deploy whatever mounted archers you can get your hands on; you'll need to beat theirs in numbers, as yours will probably be inferior. If you can wipe out the elephants and match the horse archers, your superior Danish infantry should see you through the rest of the battle with ease.

It's also worth mentioning that if you can find a Mercenary Ribault, it'll work well against mounted archers and prove quite the inconvenience to elephants.

**Muagan_ra** · January 24, 2009, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Owain Glyndŵr

Seeing as Denmark has no javelins and their archers aren't all that good, I'd stick with good ol' heavy artillery. Use heavily armoured militia to protect your artillery and deploy whatever mounted archers you can get your hands on; you'll need to beat theirs in numbers, as yours will probably be inferior. If you can wipe out the elephants and match the horse archers, your superior Danish infantry should see you through the rest of the battle with ease.

It's also worth mentioning that if you can find a Mercenary Ribault, it'll work well against mounted archers and prove quite the inconvenience to elephants.

I figured Ribaults would be useful too, but I find that in practice they're useless, especially to Horse Archers. For one, their range is too short, and if you do get in range the Horse Archers will have killed almost all of the crew to operate it; I'd advise saving Ribaults for Heavy Infantry enemies. The surest way to deal with HA, I think, is to outshoot them with Crossbowmen. And unless you're playing as Turkey or Byzantium, trying to go toe-to-toe with Mongol/Timurid Horse Archers can only get you a Pyrrhic victory.

**Ascarona** · January 24, 2009, 11:49 AM

I agree with Owain, get some serious artillery over there or find some Javelin mercs or say bye bye to your warriors. Be sure to make them run amok fast or they will just rampage through your own lines instead of theirs.