How Christians Get into Heaven

[Manoflooks]

But I need this poll to prove to my uncle that christians believe different things. Please, only vote if you are a christian. Discuss if you want, but I just need this poll for proof.

So, how do you get into heaven, in christianity?

edit-its not what you think it should be, its what you think it is. And I repeat,only christians vote.

[mremmen]

Heaven is for plebs.

[Pickle_mole]

Christians believe in choice A. You can call yourself a christian, like Mormons, and not really be one because you miss out on the fundamental truths in the bible. If you change those truths you are a whole new religion.

[The Good]

Christians believe in choice A. You can call yourself a christian, like Mormons, and not really be one because you miss out on the fundamental truths in the bible. If you change those truths you are a whole new religion.

I agree with Pickle Mole, and I voted for the first option.

[D.B. Cooper]

Voted for the first.

[rusina]

You can be a bad person and get to Heaven, according the Bible.

[Romanos IV]

You can be a bad person and get to Heaven, according the Bible.

If you say so.


I voted for the second. It IS the second. Only a medieval inquistor would tell you the first. You can ask why, but I would have to write a whole essay about it.

[basics]

Manoflooks,

Sorry to burst the bubble but how can a sinner whose prayers are not heard by God ask anything? Jesus said that a man must be born again if he is to enter heaven. Now how does anyone regenerate of His own volition?

[gambit]

Read the bible. As long as you repent, believe you are a sinner and try to stop sinning, accept Jesus into your heart and in turn, accept God as... well God; you WILL get into Heaven.

But I personally like Choice B more. And dont want to read the Bible.

[basics]

" Read the bible. As long as you repent, believe you are a sinner and try to stop sinning, accept Jesus into your heart and in turn, accept God as... well God; you WILL get into Heaven."

Gambit,

That's what is called easy-believism and comes from no part of Scripture. It's also a lot of negatives that have to be done on the part of a sinner that by his or her nature they cannot do. Jesus told the religious leader that a man has to be born again. That is his or her sinning nature replaced by one completely different.

Or, to put it another way, Jesus also said that one tiny sin is as bad as enormous ones and all carry the same weight under the Law. But supposing one tries to be good from some point on in their lives does that make the Law defunct in their case? Of course it doesn't for the Law demands complete obedience every moment of life so no matter how much you try the Law will still find something in you to condemn.

So unless God calls any out, see Peter's comments on that, they will not be going anywhere that is heaven.

[gambit]

" Read the bible. As long as you repent, believe you are a sinner and try to stop sinning, accept Jesus into your heart and in turn, accept God as... well God; you WILL get into Heaven."

Gambit,

That's what is called easy-believism and comes from no part of Scripture. It's also a lot of negatives that have to be done on the part of a sinner that by his or her nature they cannot do. Jesus told the religious leader that a man has to be born again. That is his or her sinning nature replaced by one completely different.

Or, to put it another way, Jesus also said that one tiny sin is as bad as enormous ones and all carry the same weight under the Law. But supposing one tries to be good from some point on in their lives does that make the Law defunct in their case? Of course it doesn't for the Law demands complete obedience every moment of life so no matter how much you try the Law will still find something in you to condemn.

So unless God calls any out, see Peter's comments on that, they will not be going anywhere that is heaven.

Thats not what Church and 5+ years of Christian school taught me, but I cant pull any verse references from mind and honestly I dont really care that much.

I'm atheist now anyway.

[Otsman]

Read the bible. As long as you repent, believe you are a sinner and try to stop sinning, accept Jesus into your heart and in turn, accept God as... well God; you WILL get into Heaven.

But I personally like Choice B more. And dont want to read the Bible.

thats the thing with a lot of people today, they love the idea of choice B, and usually take that over A, but if you read the bible and call yourself a Christian, you would believe in choice A, otherwise, you are not a Christian simply put. and Jesus does say that the only way to the father is through me. also, it does not matter how much good work you did on earth when you die, but God only looks at good work done in his name. so according to the bible you could be a proclaimed deist, and spend your whole life doing good work, but because it is not in the lords name, you get no 'brownie points' but either way it doesn't matter. as long as you've accepted jesus in your heart you have already made it into heaven, but you as a christian should naturally do good works not for a place in heaven, but out of the goodness in your heart

[Carpathian Wolf]

thats the thing with a lot of people today, they love the idea of choice B, and usually take that over A, but if you read the bible and call yourself a Christian, you would believe in choice A, otherwise, you are not a Christian simply put. and Jesus does say that the only way to the father is through me. also, it does not matter how much good work you did on earth when you die, but God only looks at good work done in his name. so according to the bible you could be a proclaimed deist, and spend your whole life doing good work, but because it is not in the lords name, you get no 'brownie points' but either way it doesn't matter. as long as you've accepted jesus in your heart you have already made it into heaven, but you as a christian should naturally do good works not for a place in heaven, but out of the goodness in your heart

Here's the thing, as a true Christian even if that is true, you shouldn't be the one pointing your finger in people's faces to say this. Salvation is between the person and God.

[Otsman]

Here's the thing, as a true Christian even if that is true, you shouldn't be the one pointing your finger in people's faces to say this. Salvation is between the person and God.

and i don't like to point the finger at all. the one thing i hate is getting someones religion shoved into my face.

yes the bible says that the only way to god is through Jesus, but i will still respect someone elses religion. and thats what the apostle Paul did, he used the native culture and beliefs when preaching the word of God.

[Manco]

Post second Concilium I think Catholics believe that every 'good' person goes to heaven, often has to endure purgatorium though,(something with baptism by desire and following the Golden Rule), this was also what I was taught.

But I'd wait for a real Catholic to confirm since I'm raised Catholic but am atheist and all that stuff is a bit rusty.

[Manco]

Scripture was written by men, not God.

[Ragabash]

Thread name changed to something less vague. If original poster wants, he can change title at any time he wants.

[Dayman]

Someone answer me this (I may be snarky but I'm sincere)...obviously I'm a die-hard skeptic, but what exactly is this vagueness of "letting Jesus into your heart". Obviously it is a metaphor, but I'm not entirely sure what it means. When I was Catholic there wasn't this stuff since according to them good people go to heaven regardless.

[basics]

Boeing,

Many churches have come to the conclusion that all you have to do, and these words make me cringe, but all you have to do is ask Jesus into your heart or life and He cannot refuse. Oh how often I have heard this thing that man has the choice over good and evil and Almighty God, who cast out Adam an Eve at the point of no return, has no such choice, He must deliver.

This is what came primarily out of Evangelical America and has caught on here in Britain. Billy Graham, being the great high priest of this principle, is the one guy I remember spouting the same words. The opinion is that Jesus Christ is sitting in heaven crying His eyes out that not many are taking the opportunity to be saved and I have heard this said as well.

And they use a piece of Scripture totally out of context that says if any man opens the door at my knocking I will come in to him, my words but more or less the same. But where they are quite wrong is that the Lord is talking to them already saved, not them asking to be as if that itself is possible. But that is the nature of persuasion without the actions of God whatsoever.

I remember a crusade as it was called, because my mum dragged me along to a later version, and that the churches took note of all them that rushed out at the call. There was over five thousand. Some years later they did some more research to discover that of that great host only some four or five still attended some church. It is all froth without the God who does save.

So when you consider what Revelation says on the subject, that being that there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth because He, the Lord, tells them, despite all their claims of what they did in His name, that He never knew them. They were never of those that the Father gave to Him that He should wash their sins away.

And on that great day when the book of life is opened their names are not there. Not even from the beginning of time did He know them but they assumed that He did. That is what gospels that are no gospels at all will deliver up when all is revealed. They have assumed that because it was done in His name that that would be enough but all He could say was that He never knew them.

[Manco]

How did Catholics actually manage to become the moderates?