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    The Obama presidency: Here comes socialism

    2009-2010 will rank with 1913-14, 1933-36, 1964-65 and 1981-82 as years that will permanently change our government, politics and lives. Just as the stars were aligned for Wilson, Roosevelt, Johnson and Reagan, they are aligned for Obama. Simply put, we enter his administration as free-enterprise, market-dominated, laissez-faire America. We will shortly become like Germany, France, the United Kingdom, or Sweden — a socialist democracy in which the government dominates the economy, determines private-sector priorities and offers a vastly expanded range of services to many more people at much higher taxes.

    Obama will accomplish his agenda of “reform” under the rubric of “recovery.” Using the electoral mandate bestowed on a Democratic Congress by restless voters and the economic power given his administration by terrified Americans, he will change our country fundamentally in the name of lifting the depression. His stimulus packages won’t do much to shorten the downturn — although they will make it less painful — but they will do a great deal to change our nation.

    In implementing his agenda, Barack Obama will emulate the example of Franklin D. Roosevelt. (Not the liberal mythology of the New Deal, but the actuality of what it accomplished.) When FDR took office, he was enormously successful in averting a total collapse of the banking system and the economy. But his New Deal measures only succeeded in lowering the unemployment rate from 23 percent in 1933, when he took office, to 13 percent in the summer of 1937. It never went lower. And his policies of over-regulation generated such business uncertainty that they triggered a second-term recession. Unemployment in 1938 rose to 17 percent and, in 1940, on the verge of the war-driven recovery, stood at 15 percent. (These data and the real story of Hoover’s and Roosevelt’s missteps, uncolored by ideology, are available in The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes, copyright 2007.)

    But in the name of a largely unsuccessful effort to end the Depression, Roosevelt passed crucial and permanent reforms that have dominated our lives ever since, including Social Security, the creation of the Securities and Exchange Commission, unionization under the Wagner Act, the federal minimum wage and a host of other fundamental changes.

    Obama’s record will be similar, although less wise and more destructive. He will begin by passing every program for which liberals have lusted for decades, from alternative-energy sources to school renovations, infrastructure repairs and technology enhancements. These are all good programs, but they normally would be stretched out for years. But freed of any constraint on the deficit — indeed, empowered by a mandate to raise it as high as possible — Obama will do them all rather quickly.

    But it is not his spending that will transform our political system, it is his tax and welfare policies. In the name of short-term stimulus, he will give every American family (who makes less than $200,000) a welfare check of $1,000 euphemistically called a refundable tax credit. And he will so sharply cut taxes on the middle class and the poor that the number of Americans who pay no federal income tax will rise from the current one-third of all households to more than half. In the process, he will create a permanent electoral majority that does not pay taxes, but counts on ever-expanding welfare checks from the government. The dependency on the dole, formerly limited in pre-Clinton days to 14 million women and children on Aid to Families with Dependent Children, will now grow to a clear majority of the American population.
    But none of these changes will cure the depression. It will end when the private sector works through the high debt levels that triggered the collapse in the first place. And, then, the large stimulus package deficits will likely lead to rapid inflation, probably necessitating a second recession to cure it.

    So Obama’s name will be mud by 2012 and probably by 2010 as well. And the Republican Party will make big gains and regain much of its lost power.

    But it will be too late to reverse the socialism of much of the economy, the demographic change in the electorate, the rationing of healthcare by the government, the surge of unionization and the crippling of talk radio.
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    Yes fallowed by the great khan.
    according to exarch I am like
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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiljan Arslan View Post
    Yes fallowed by the great khan.
    I was actually thinking more of the communization of America.
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    Союз нерушимый республик свободных
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    Seriously! Stop being so afraid from the left side. Our right here in Sweden is a looooot more leftern than your so called "left" in the US. You won't become as Sweden for christ sake. It's just ridicously stupid to put it that way.

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    Union ironclad republics free
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    I guess you will like the US then.

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    Do people such as the OP still think that others find them credible? :hmmm:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alakasam View Post
    Do people such as the OP still think that others find them credible? :hmmm:
    i do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Champion View Post
    i do
    You were trying to make Obama out to be from Africa, I believe :hmmm:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alakasam View Post
    Do people such as the OP still think that others find them credible? :hmmm:
    People know from before the election that the OP is indeed credible, and understand his libertarian views are not in harmony with other governmental types.

    People also wish the OP would give the new leader a chance, and pass judgement after enough time has past to see if the overall good for the country and the world might balance out the changes the OP now sees as the downfall of civilization as we know it.

    People also understand that clairvoyance is certainly an unrecognized trait, and attempting to predict the future based on it is uncredible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    More than credible. Prophetic.
    I would say you can call the probabilities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Why are the older right-wingers so damned fear-mongering with socialism? Don't you understand that socialism and authoritarianism are two completely different things? I generally support a free market, too. But sometimes socialism is necessary. This is why I will not register with the Libertarian party. I think they put far too much fear mongering and finger pointing to the Left. I don't see why people don't realize that aspects of both systems of thought are what makes this whole economy work. There are too many Libertarians that are just closet Republicans.
    Sigh. Check out Harriet Harman and the rest of the UK government. This is where your heading, have fun.



    Quote Originally Posted by The Super Pope View Post
    Excuse me Mr. Limbaugh, Britain's economy hasn't been socialist since the 1970s.

    Why would an economy like Germany's be a bad thing. I personally doubt that it is socialised, but even if it is, they are the third wealthiest country in the world. They have a trade surplus second only to China, while the US has the worst trade deficit in the world. Of the 10 wealthiest countries, 5 are European.

    EDIT: Just out of interest, do you know what socialism actually is? Becuase it seems to be a label you are willing to use about anything you don't like.
    The US economy can't be so easily diagnosed, certainly not by a simple left/right political analysis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikelus Trento View Post
    People know from before the election that the OP is indeed credible, and understand his libertarian views are not in harmony with other governmental types.

    People also wish the OP would give the new leader a chance, and pass judgement after enough time has past to see if the overall good for the country and the world might balance out the changes the OP now sees as the downfall of civilization as we know it.

    People also understand that clairvoyance is certainly an unrecognized trait, and attempting to predict the future based on it is uncredible.
    Again calling probabilities/prophesising is a regular passtime for all political commentators. Whether amateur or journalistic.

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    Really I had an interesting discussion on Obama's tax plan with my speech and debate coach and after a two hour drive, I has seen the light of moderation and abandoned my solely liberal nature.

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    Do people such as the OP still think that others find them credible?
    More than credible. Prophetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    More than credible. Prophetic.
    Oh good, I thought you were being serious...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    More than credible. Prophetic.
    As good a prophet as Marshall Applewhite
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    More than credible. Prophetic.
    You prophetic? Back in 2007 you gave Obama 2 months before he quit and lost. I don't need to point out how insanely wrong that prediction was.

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    I think I'd look for the antonym of that word
    according to exarch I am like
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

    Simple truths
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    Did you know being born into wealth or marrying into wealth really shows you never did anything to earn it?
    btw having a sig telling people not to report you is hilarious.

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    Im seroious were through. Im glad I only have a few decades left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    Im seroious were through. Im glad I only have a few decades left.
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    “The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”

    —Sir William Francis Butler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
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    your killing me
    according to exarch I am like
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

    Simple truths
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Did you know being born into wealth or marrying into wealth really shows you never did anything to earn it?
    btw having a sig telling people not to report you is hilarious.

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