AI, can it do any better

[BeingOwned:)SPQR]

AI reinforcements are really bad thy get my general killled every single time, so i dont trust th AI taking control oof my reinforcements but even if i take control i lose the battle.

Is there anyway off making the AI a bit smarter.



PS im a noob im not good at handling 2 armies..

[Raglan]

the ai is in general much better than in vanilla but your right it doesn't seem much better when acting as your reinforcements - its all down to a couple of files but i'm not sure that your able to just change reinforcement behavour - this is one of the reasons LT gave the general misiles to stop stupid behaviour

[Ejergard]

Position yourself correct on the strategic map. Best, if you are attacking, is to attack headon with one legion, and keeping reinforcements at the sides, like this:

E: Enemy stack
M: Main army (You)
AI: Your reinforcements

If you do it like this, you will most of the time be able to engage the enemy with your main legion that you control, while AI can come in and help a little later in the battle.
This is usually enough to keep AI general from dieing.
Defending is a little trickier, but given this is the way the reinforcements are positioned, just go with it. If you risk having your own reinforcements in the back of the enemy, I would advice against letting AI control them, since it will take severe casualties and the risk of losing a general is higher.

[BeingOwned:)SPQR]

Thanks both off you for the information, it really helped that someone did reply and Ejergard ill do that strategy layout then.

[Valerius Tiberius]

hmmm, weird.
This is the reason LT made the generals missile troops, so they wouldn't run into the enemy when they were AI controlled :hm:

Have you had this a lot if times?
How often, against which enemies and what they exactly did?

tnx!

[BeingOwned:)SPQR]

well it happens to be in every battle wher i had reinforcements, against gaul, carthage well actually most off the enemies i fight.
the AI just makes the general just stop in front of the enemy fires 2or 5 missiles then runs straight into the whole army.

[czePowerslave]

Well, two options.
First, do not use AI reinforcements, engage with your legion, defeat your enemy, withdraw from the map, let the other legion step forward and take control of it. Repeat if necessary to defeat your foe.
Second, use the reinforcements, and as stated above correctly, keep them on your wings or behind you, if they enter the battle, march with them to create VERY powerful force. IF you want to preserve the general, keep your cavalry near him,that is what I do cause I have melee generals. Although they might not win the battle right away, two units of cavalry is fast and can hold til infantry comes and saves the day. Might help

[BeingOwned:)SPQR]

Well, two options.
First, do not use AI reinforcements, engage with your legion, defeat your enemy, withdraw from the map, let the other legion step forward and take control of it. Repeat if necessary to defeat your foe.
Second, use the reinforcements, and as stated above correctly, keep them on your wings or behind you, if they enter the battle, march with them to create VERY powerful force. IF you want to preserve the general, keep your cavalry near him,that is what I do cause I have melee generals. Although they might not win the battle right away, two units of cavalry is fast and can hold til infantry comes and saves the day. Might help

i cant do that i tried exactly that and my 2nd army routed as soon as they engage or normally get killed because my brain cannot focus on controling another legion.

Marching with them sometimes works but not all the time most of the time thy charge.

[Raglan]

my armies aren't usually close enough to provide support but i think this has happened to me once - can't say if this is frequent i just seem to remember it happening

[franks_tank]

The safest way is of course to only use one army and never risk having a legion butchered by some imbecile, suicidal general...if there no way around a multiple legion battle always make sure you engage the enemy as soon as possible, no skirmishing or big changes in formation, just get the enemy busy as soon as possible even when defending...attacking a city is also something you should avoid because the casualties on the AI controlled legion are way too high...when they are too stupid to get their men on the walls they start to circle the whole city and you know what that means...I would only consider to use an additional legion when there is clearly no other way to resolve...sometimes they do allright but the chances of losing a general are still high

[Hesus de bodemloze]

I always control my legions, never use the AI to control them only when you have a small enemie armie you could send in a legion under AI control to finish the fight in a higher speed. Controling your legions personaly will get them less casualties. I still control my support legion even when the rate is 2/1.

[czePowerslave]

Lol. I dont have that much problems when I let AI control it, because what? I join then on flank, and as they start fighting, I apply the angry mob strategy, which basically means run over. Works well. Losses are high, but since I never retreat my legion in time, its better then to lose both

[The Forgotten King]

Generals last longer in battle definetly but if u let them fight and use up all there ammo then they start to do there suicide charge as for some reason the computer finds as the best course of action. might have to do with something that lt did as make horsemen incredibly weak in hand to hand while to oringinal system had cavalry as very strong units. just my guess

[lt1956]

Actually its the oposite, making them stronger makes them charge worse, I actually made them a little better. you have to make them really weak to not charge, then you get the player issues and making it easier to kill the generals. lol

[YouDied]

but shouldnt they be easy to kill anyway? cause im pretty sure infantry charging at him would butcher his guards right?

[Ejergard]

For playability I support this with tough generals. Its much more fun fighting enemies with good generals. As soon as the general dies, the army is very easy to rout, and thats no fun. That's the beauty of this mod with the long fights. If I wanted to blitz, I would have stuck with vanilla or any of the other mods.
Btw, I had a nice thing happening during a fight the other day. The Gallic general I was fighting had about 4500 units vs my 3000 or so. He would then try and charge one section of the battle line, find it was no good, retreat and then charge another part. He did this 3-4 times. In the end, the only one in in his army that was alive was this general and 2 of his bodyguards (started with 33). And he managed to retreat the field. About half of the generals I face in fullsize armies make it out alive, even though I try to butcher all routers.
In 6.4, it was closer to 90% of all generals I met, so I think there is a difference for better general survivability in 7.0. Much be subjective for me though.

[franks_tank]

Usually the general and his bodyguards are caught up between the battlelines at this point...if one of them is fighting they will all stay and eventually die...it's pure luck if he manges to get out, regroup and start even more charges...if he did so I would send some triarii anyway because when he manages to get through your first two lines your missile units are f'ed and so is your organization...I would never risk that

[czePowerslave]

Some melee generals, especially those like 70+ guards, are VERY annoying force on the battlefield.

[cnaeus]

why does anybody use reinforcements anyway? i always try to get a 1v1 fight where im seriously outnumbered so i can really use the dicipline and tactics of a roman legion to save the day

cnaeus,

[franks_tank]

Depends on the style of gameplay...if you have to free a city sieged by 3 fullstack german armies it's not the best idea to attack with only one legion...I guess most of us know the troubles of an incomplete legion and sometimes you just can't do it on your own...If only half the legion is alive and I have to face 3:1 or 4:1 situations I don't let that half legion commit suicide by attacking