How to become a Buddha in 5 weeks... or: THE EDU THREAD

[Hister]

Thank you very much Aper! I will check it and also redo my 60+ units according to your latest model. Please promise me something - don't change the model again
No seriously Aper - I really appreciate your work, most others would disappear but you haven't, you kept your promise and delivered the EDU. A deep bow to you mate.

- I noticed that you gave mount_effect horse +6 to all javelin units. Will have to check if this doesn't make them to powerful against cavalry or you made your own testing on the matter?
- I see you decided to go with higher numbers for carpentarii units - to make them last longer on the battlefield? Ah probably because their health is 1 point now right?

Brilliant work!

Now that you have finished your work on PI I, do you want to get acces to internal beta forum of PI II (M2TW Kingdoms) and cooperate there?

[Hister]

Am considering to apply these for extra flavor:

Hoplitai: mount_effect horse +6, chariot +4
Hoplites: mount_effect horse +6, chariot +3
Clipeati: mount_effect horse +5, chariot +3
Lanceari: mount_effect horse +4, chariot +2
Levy Lanceari: mount_effect horse +3, chariot +1
2H axe: mount_effect horse +2
Ferentarii: ?
Funditores: ?
Sagitarii: ?


*? Have to make a test and see how +6 for ferentarii units copes out.

Is it okey if we don't give any mount effect for phalangitai? I suppose they cope well without it right?


Since we have also cavalry that uses light axe and long sword I was wondering how much charge mod shall we give to those two weapons when used by cavalry? Did you have the same chrge mod in mind as if on foot for them or you missed those two peculiarities out? I made a proposition in red but dunno if it makes sense in comparison to curved sword. Need advice. In blue color preposition for 2H axe against cavalry.

- WEAPON ATTACK MOD, CHARGE MOD / DELAY MOD ; OTHER
- 2H axe: 20,x2 / 30 ; AP; horse +2
- light axe: 18,x1 / 29 ; Cavalry: x1.2 CHARGE MOD
- long sword: 16,x1 / 27 ; Cavalry: x1.3 CHARGE MOD
- curved sword 14,x0.5 / 28 ; Cavalry: x1 CHARGE MOD

[Aper]

A possible problem is indeed that some lancearii, getting a overall +4 vs. horse, have their javelins overpowered against cavalry: however, no solution is without drawback... But I don't think this bonus will unbalance the system, honestly.

About Carpentarii, I simply gave them 2 men per chariot: I did something wrong? The 1 HP is because I didn't understand why should they have 2... if necessary, cancel my changes!

I didn't remember changing anything about mount_effect of ferentarii...

Phalangitai gets already the bonus from light_spear, so I think another bonus is unnecessary.

About charge values... dunno, my suggestion is TO KEEP THINGS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE! Don't get mad with this iper-tuning, in the model the charge is linked to the attack, so axe gets naturally an higher charge value than longsword, and the same about longsword and curved... Don't stress yourself too much!! the process of iper-fine balancing should come with 1.X versions IMHO...

About M2TW... DON'T TEMPT ME!!! Seriously, I'd like it very much but honestly I can't spend all this time on videogames (that's what they are after all, even if historically accurate), I surely can give some suggestions and release mini-mini-mods, but a big work like that on RTW PI EDU is definitively out of my plans for the future... RL have SO MANY interesting things to do that I'd need 2 lives..

[Hister]

Previous post updated.

[Hister]

A possible problem is indeed that some lancearii, getting a overall +4 vs. horse, have their javelins overpowered against cavalry: however, no solution is without drawback... But I don't think this bonus will unbalance the system, honestly.

Okey.

About Carpentarii, I simply gave them 2 men per chariot: I did something wrong? The 1 HP is because I didn't understand why should they have 2... if necessary, cancel my changes!

Hmm, this is what you did for chariots:

soldier Carpentarii_Poeni, 12, 6, 1

This is how it was before:

soldier Carpentarii_Poeni, 6, 6, 1

Doesn't this mean there is twice as many chariots as before - I don't think it means 2 men per chariot. Dunno have to check o the battlefield.

Phalangitai gets already the bonus from light_spear, so I think another bonus is unnecessary.

Okey.

About charge values... dunno, my suggestion is TO KEEP THINGS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE! Don't get mad with this iper-tuning, in the model the charge is linked to the attack, so axe gets naturally an higher charge value than longsword, and the same about longsword and curved... Don't stress yourself too much!! the process of iper-fine balancing should come with 1.X versions IMHO...

Hmm, but if I leave it as it is then horse riders with light axe and long sword won't have any additional charge bonus whereas those riders with curved sword have extra charge bonus. Not good I think.

About M2TW... DON'T TEMPT ME!!! Seriously, I'd like it very much but honestly I can't spend all this time on videogames (that's what they are after all, even if historically accurate), I surely can give some suggestions and release mini-mini-mods, but a big work like that on RTW PI EDU is definitively out of my plans for the future... RL have SO MANY interesting things to do that I'd need 2 lives..

Heh you are right for sure! Thought that you wanna work on your new edu model for kingdoms since you posted it

Tell me, I forgot, can leathality for weapons in M2TW be applied or not? Am asking 'cos I wanna convert this EDU straight to M2tW PI II to spare time.

[Hister]

I checked the chariot numbers - it's okey I suppose. I'm only concerned that they died instantly when charging into clipeati Veneti who currently don't even have any + chariot bonus!?

[Aper]

"Lethality" was indeed disabled in M2TW, this is the reason for my theorical "HP mod"

I checked the chariot numbers - it's okey I suppose. I'm only concerned that they died instantly when charging into clipeati Veneti who currently don't even have any + chariot bonus!?

Well, eventually should be easy to fix this problem giving them more primary HPs, like before my latest changes

[Hister]

Yes thanx.

[Hister]

Okey, some of you maybe know that Aper changed the EDU model so I had to reapply many of the stats that were already all done by me. I'm in the process of doing this. Today my girlfriend (living together with her) has to write an essey so I had about 4 hours of peace more or less (some interuptions from her didn't made me stop working). I thus managed to do many remaining things. I now have to tidy up the terrace, put a bamboo cover on the balustrade and also take care of all the plants there so I suppose for today this is going to be it - no more time for EDU. What I have left to do on the EDU in the next days is the following:

- have to apply proper stat_pri and stat_sec values to 30-40 units.

- apply proper mount_effect to all Aper's spear wielding units.

- apply proper attributes to all Aper's units.

- apply proper ground values from PI II EDU that I've made quite some time ago to all units. They represent the type of unit and also the cultural background so that for example units living in a more forested area fight better in woods etc. It will take me the most time of all the things I have yet to do.

And that is all - so as you see the work on the EDU for PI I is nearing it's completion. I'll do some campaign testing to see how the new edu performs and then release it for the public.

[Athenogoras]

I now have to tidy up the terrace, put a bamboo cover on the balustrade

Excellent thinking Hister. Building a fortification to protect you from the misses while nerding away on the EDU. Good thinking indeed.

[Hister]

Ha ha ha, that's a good one Athenogoras! I would indeed need a separate studio room where I would have the ability to work without frequent disturbances from my girly.

[Athenogoras]

I think I can speak for all mankind that we are eagerly awaiting your EDU.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Hister with his EDU

and that the false EDU-god of Aper must be rejected

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

and the true faith restored once again

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Women worshipping Hister and his EDU-bling

PS Sorry for spamming the thread. I need to clean my apartment and am looking for ways to delay the inevitable.

[Hister]

He he, I'm already half trough my apartment work so you might want to clean your flat or I will send a lightning EDU bolt into your ***

[Aper]

That was great, Athenagoras!

[DaVinci]

'Cause of Atheno's intelligent humour and his superbe avartar, i hired him into the ChivTW team.

(j/k of course)

[Athenogoras]

'Cause of Atheno's intelligent humour and his superbe avartar, i hired him into the ChivTW team.

HaHaHa. Indeed my avatar owns you all. You may now kneel and kiss the ring.

And DV. That avatar does not look like something from daVincis hand. It looks like those Rorschachtests. Why not keep it simple(you know the man within the ring)

[Hister]

- have to apply proper stat_pri and stat_sec values to 30-40 units.

DONE!

[Athenogoras]

DONE!

Finally I was beginning to despair

[Pode]

DONE!

Any prognosis on the other 3 tasks you set yourself?

- apply proper mount_effect to all Aper's spear wielding units.

- apply proper attributes to all Aper's units.

- apply proper ground values from PI II EDU that I've made quite some time ago to all units.

Your people are longing for you to lead us to the true EDU faith!

[Hister]

He he, if you would only know what RL brought me these days...

Edit: Won't take much longer my friends.