Lithuanian Noble Sons not throwing javelins before charge?

**Sargon_of_Akkad** · January 19, 2009, 05:24 PM

Hi all, I'd really like to use the Lithuanian Noble Sons in my armies, however I find that they don't throw their javelins properly, they just throw one or two and then that's it.

Anyone know a fix for it?

Cheers!

**lordextra0** · January 19, 2009, 06:02 PM

do you mean that only one or 2 of the people throw a jav
or that their ammo is limited to 2 throws of the full unit?

**Sargon_of_Akkad** · January 19, 2009, 06:11 PM

One or two people in the unit throws the javelin. I have no idea what their ammo is like, because they hardly use any of it at all!

**Caesar Clivus** · January 19, 2009, 06:16 PM

It's not just that unit. It's a problem with all javelin units. When making the CBUR units I noticed this. To me it seemed that it has something to do with using the javelin units on a hill, possibly the extra range you get from higher ground is messing with the perceived range of the unit.

**Santiago de Pola** · January 20, 2009, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Caesar Clivus

It's not just that unit. It's a problem with all javelin units.

I'm in the middle of Irish campaign and their javelinmen work like a charm, only whish they had more ammo in those quivers they don't have!

Ceasar..if I recall correctly, about few millennas ago you said something about adding quivers to all javelin throwers?

**Sargon_of_Akkad** · January 20, 2009, 11:15 AM

The merchant cavalry throw their javelins fine, it's just the noble sons. I've yet to come across the problem on another unit.

**Caesar Clivus** · January 20, 2009, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Santiago de Pola

Ceasar..if I recall correctly, about few millennas ago you said something about adding quivers to all javelin throwers?

You know I believe I did. Kinda got sidetracked with about a dozen other things

**lordextra0** · January 19, 2009, 08:51 PM

that's very weard
never happened to me
maybe the path was blocked by a stone or some ...air or something that you men think is scary

**Sargon_of_Akkad** · January 20, 2009, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by lordextra0

that's very weard
never happened to me
maybe the path was blocked by a stone or some ...air or something that you men think is scary

Nope, I've been wrestling with this for a while - if an enemy unit is just standing there, I move the noble sons into range, tell them to fire, and just sit watching them faff around, pretending to half-throw, but eventually doing nothing...

**Mune** · January 20, 2009, 01:12 PM

I'd say it's likely related to the mysterious unit trait 'Throws Javelins before Charge' (or something to that effect).

I haven't done any testing of this myself (I'm not too fond of Javelin units), but I'd say tell them to charge the unit and see if you see a bunch of Javelins go flying.

I haven't seen any other unit than Noble Sons with this unit trait, by the way.

Also worth noting, Noble Sons have an ammo capacity for Javelins of 2 per man, the lowest I've ever seen. Although your stating a different problem occurring, so I don't believe that info applies specifically as a response to your problem.

**Sargon_of_Akkad** · January 20, 2009, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Mune

I'd say it's likely related to the mysterious unit trait 'Throws Javelins before Charge' (or something to that effect).

I haven't done any testing of this myself (I'm not too fond of Javelin units), but I'd say tell them to charge the unit and see if you see a bunch of Javelins go flying.

I haven't seen any other unit than Noble Sons with this unit trait, by the way.

Also worth noting, Noble Sons have an ammo capacity for Javelins of 2 per man, the lowest I've ever seen. Although your stating a different problem occurring, so I don't believe that info applies specifically as a response to your problem.

Tried it, and you don't get 2 volleys, you get like three men chucking one, or preparing to chuck one, and then deciding they won't after all, and faffing around until the enemy manages to close.

And telling them to charge simply makes them stand there, looking at their javelins, scratching their heads...