Deus lo Vult: Battlefield Balanced v4.36 <25/01/15>

**Taiji** · January 19, 2009, 07:21 AM

This is DLV:BB, a huge overhaul for Medieval 2 Total War Kingdoms. It is designed to be played on VH/VH difficulty.

Some gameplay changing features since DLV (WIP):

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

You can help improve DLV:BB:

Any battle AI problems: Upload a savegame with the problem behaviour expected in the next battle.

Any CTD issue in the campaign: Upload a savegame from before the issue with reproduction steps for the problem.

Installation and savegame compatibility

The files

If you already have DLV installed then delete/rename the 'DLV_ext' folder in the game-folder's 'mod' folder first.

Bear in mind that DLV:BB requires Kingdoms 1.5.

Full DLV:BB4.35:
http://www.moddb.com/mods/deus-lo-vu...nced-v435-full

Update to DLV:BB4.36 from 4.3 or later:
http://www.moddb.com/mods/deus-lo-vu...ed-v436-update

Windows 8, Windows 7 and Vista Users:

If you experience problems with CTDs which cannot be reproduced:

1) Disable UAC (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...#1TC=windows-7)

2) Install M2TW to it's own folder e.g. c:\M2

If you already installed it then you can probably just copy (or drag/move) the game folder into the root and rename it 'm2' - Seems to work fine for me.

3) Take ownership of the c:\M2 folder and it's subfolders

To take ownership of a file or folder
--1 Open Windows Explorer, and then locate the file or folder you want to take ownership of.
--2 Right-click the file or folder, click Properties, and then click the Security tab.
--3 Click Advanced, and then click the Owner tab.
--4 Click Edit, and then in the Change owner to box, click your user name.
--5 To change the owner of all subcontainers and objects within the tree, select the Replace owner on subcontainers and objects check box.

(http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/l.../cc753659.aspx)

4) Extract the contents of DLVBBv4.35.exe to your game folder (e.g. c:\m2)

5) If required extract the contents of the update to C:\M2\mods\dlv_ext

Steam Definitive Edition:

Originally Posted by just_a_peasant

Hello, i will try to explain how to install this mod if you in need of help on how to install with steam definitive edition version of the game:

1. Make a copy of medieval2.exe located in steamapps\common\Medieval II Total War and rename the copy to kingdoms.exe

2. Extract the mod files as administrator from DLVBBv4.35.exe, after extraction you will see data DLV_ext and mods folder, copy DLV_ext and paste into mods folder don't overwrite the files if asked, copy data folder and paste into mods/DLV_ext folder, don't overwrite the files if asked, delete data and DLV_ext folder you extracted from DLVBBv4.35.exe only keep the mods folder.

3. Extract the mod files as administrator from DLVBBv4.36_Update.exe, after extraction you will see data folder and Launch_DLV_BB.bat, cut both and paste into mods\DLV_ext folder and overwrite everything.

4. copy the mods folder into your game directory steamapps\common\Medieval II Total War

5. open DLV_ext in mods folder and run adapt.bat as admin

6. run adapt_sound_english.bat as admin, if you don't play the game in english run the adapt_sound_nonenglish.bat instead

7. make a shortcut of Launch_DLV_BB.bat to desktop it will be the game launcher, dont run the game from steam, run the Launch_DLV_BB.bat instead

8. all done! the game starts and enjoy this great mod

Change log

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

28/07/14 - DLV:BB4.3
- Presenting GeminiSandy's excellent Western Units Overhaul
- Version includes DLV6.2 for the first time to help simplify installation.
- Introduced a missile weight system for visual effect - Light troops knocked back, knocked down, and even sent flying depending on what missile is hitting them.
- A few tweaks and fixes here and there.
New campaign recommended.

04/08/14 - DLV:BB4.31
- New supply system (beta)
-- Supply usage in enemy land variable on General and distance from capital.
-- Supply usage in home and neutral lands variable on General and distance from capital.
-- Besieging versions of the above.
-- Supply depletion while besieged.
-- Supply gain in settlements variable on General.
-- Supply gain in allied territory depending on Trusted Ally status
-- Supply gain within radius around capital variable on Ruler.
- A lot of tweaks and fixes here, there and everywhere.
New campaign required.

24/08/14 - DLV:BB4.32
- Battlescript ceasing to function fixed (Should be good news for field battle AI, stakes placement, and AI reinforcing armies)
- Battlefield graphical glitch caused by bowstring models fixed by removing a one handed sword fatality D:
- Increased supply gain in settlement
- Removed more civil war related stuff that might cause an issue
- Numerous other tweaks
Not save compatible.

02/01/15 - DLV:BB4.33
- Some stabs in the dark attempting to fix the 'immobilised general' bug reported.
- Supplies trait text fixed and updated.
- A few other tweaks.
Not save compatible.

06/01/15 - DLV:BB4.34
- Banditry adjustments.
- Fixed AI characters receiving supplies when they should not.
Not save compatible.

10/01/15 - DLV:BB4.35
- Menu UI adjustments
- Relaxed religious recruitment requirements
- Fixed gunpowder units causing CTDs
Save compatible.

25/01/15 - DLV:BB4.36
- Fixed some archer units causing CTDs
- Menu UI tweaks
- Fixed rebel army stuck outside Venice in Venice campaign
Save compatible.

DLV:BB credits

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Myself (Taiji) for designing, developing, and directing others in the development of DLV+BB. Everything in the changelog is mine, unless otherwise specified, and all unspecified changes are also probably mine. (Game designer)
Tokus*Maximus, a good friend providing support and encouragement, and high quality professional 2D artwork for free. (Artistic director, 2D art)
Shadrach for helping Tokus*Maximus with some coding. (Coding assistant)
Raaka for professional quality new Norwegian models and textures based on the Arn movies and made specifically for DLV+BB. (3D models and textures and associated coding)
TaronQuinn for coding variation in permanent stone fort models, for importing many new units from Broken Crescent, and for making all units able to go rebel - A lot of coding! (Coding assistant)
kaiser1993 for helping to import MADTAO's Polish and Lithuanian units, also for Militia Sergeants and numerous other helpful acts.
Pnutmaster for scripting the scribe ancillary which tracks princess availability.
Agis Tournas for his unit cards project and Byzantium text revision. (2D Art)
Gemini][Sandy for importing his huge open source overhaul of Western faction unit models and textures. (3D models and textures and associated coding)
Shaxx for his Text Overhaul Mod work on DLV+BB's ingame text. (Text)
Hbhadast for the Real Moors Project which reskins the Moors. (Texturing)
One Day and Drinka of Rum for miscellaneous bug fixes while I was a away for an extended period. (Coding and scripting assistance)
Renesans for translation of DLV:BB into Russian. (Translation)
Wilking for providing translation for DLV:BB's growing Chinese audience. (Translation)
Niko, Point Blank and Banzai! for some nice new animations and tweaks to existing animations. (Animation and coding assistance)
MADTAO for creating the excellent new Polish and Lithuanian units. (3D models and textures)
Charge for allowing me to use his Mapmod 1.7 (Campaign map textures)
Magus for allowing me to use his Crimson Tide 4.2 (Blood and 'nodirt' textures)
Ziher for the performance improving city textures (Downscaled city textures)
Total War Center for hosting the development thread
And finally yourself, if you played my mod and gave me feedback, you helped!

DLV 6.2 credits

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**Brips** · January 19, 2009, 08:19 AM

What's the shuffle forward animation?

**Taiji** · January 19, 2009, 08:42 AM

Infantry in combat used to move away from the front line and since 5.8 they move towards it.

**ivanhoex** · January 19, 2009, 10:16 AM

/// cropped from my other post:

also i still think baltic spearmen should not have more attack damage than a mercenary armored spearmen
as a reminder for myself: metz xbow have too much attack as well

**Taiji** · January 19, 2009, 11:15 AM

Sorry mate, metz xbow? I don't know which unit that is.

I'm stressing about this polish druzhina causing CTD. I really don't get it so far

**ivanhoex** · January 19, 2009, 11:44 AM

mmm the lithuanian early xbow (not the regulars) they have a lot of attack and i am not sure wich type of armor they wear also.. basically it looks that all lit needs a closer look and a little overhaul

**Taiji** · January 19, 2009, 11:51 AM

Ah, letts crossbowmen, sorry I could have worked that out. They're regular missile inf with swords so they get 5+5-2=8. You think they should be militia grade? Maybe you think I should give non-melee missile units -3 instead of -2?

BTW I've gone for giving lit units leather armor where it's ambiguous because not many of them get upgrades. Still I think you're right in general about the lith rosta needing some work doing on it.

**ivanhoex** · January 19, 2009, 12:30 PM

exactly, i dont take this guys for regulars, as later on lit get its regulars (armored but this guys dont look too harshly trained either)

also, in my calcs i dont use fixed numbers but percentages, tends to work best in some cases. as they are now, this guys are good swordsmen despite lower training

**Tharros** · January 19, 2009, 07:11 PM

What will increasing the mass of the units do for the pace of combat? Will it slow it down? Have you changed other values like attack ect, like for the spearmen after increasing their numbers?

**ivanhoex** · January 19, 2009, 07:23 PM

mass will make units to keep farther away between themselves

therefore with high mass you will see a thin fighting line and a lot of troops waiting on either side

with more than 0.5 and less than 1.5 mass things will get more messy, there is a front line but it is wavy and prompt to become just a mess. this way more units will be fighting simultaneously and battle will be more real but faster as well.

with less than 0.5 mass math gets broken and you will get rivers of men going here and there charging berzerk mode

the best would be to have a natural range of mid mass and measure battle speed using attack speed, damage/armor, higher defense skill (the one used to avoid being hit in melee).

every one of the forementioned has its own perils if done on its own, and it has to be handled with care trying to ballance all factors together.

anyway!!!! once you get heavy armored guys vs pikes, things slow down a lot already. test it out and see if you can hold yourself to fight 4 full battles of this level in a row.. without touching time controls

ps: with higher mass you will see that soldiers push other soldiers up up up in the air, and that when cavalry tries to get through them it just stops still... buuuuuuggy

**Taiji** · January 19, 2009, 09:37 PM

Increasing the mass allows for more subtle differences between units though I've not made much use of that yet. Mass needed adjusting to help pikes deal with spearmen believe it or not. While doing that I noticed that other units would also benefit from adjustment. Horses are made slightly more vulnerable due to increased mass for heavy infantry and their charges are slightly less powerful against dismounted knights, etc. It needs more play testing as things stand and then I can come up with some kind of system which refines it further.

Before this adjustment I found that massed spearmen units could easily take down pikes and so could heavy cavalry.

There is a slight system to it but nothing fancy.

Halberds 1.2-1.4 - depends on quality
Pikes 1.2-1.6 - depends on quality
Spearmen 1-1.2 - depends on quality
Heavy Inf 0.8-1.2 - depends on quality and weapons
Light Inf 0.4-1 - depends on quality and weapons
Missile 0.4-1 - depends on quality

Or something like that. I am personally finding less instances of troops being launched into the air by infantry as well as by cavalry. It will take a couple of charges to kill off a strong heavy infantry unit with knights, it's best to engage them with infantry first. Cav bogged down fighting infantry have a slightly harder time and need pulling out faster but on the other hand they kill more people in the area they charged while they are spreading as because they cannot push enemy inf out of the way so easily they are slowed down and can get more hits in.

I'm sure it all needs adjusting and any feedback is much appreciated.

@Ivanhoex, I think you're right about having a proportional reduction in attack for missile units. I'm thinking to assign a second troop quality for their secondary weapons.

**ivanhoex** · January 19, 2009, 11:37 PM

in order to face this kind of issue i took several measures, including:

-giving ap to cav. this way heavy armored foots shall have less anti cav quality. spearmen and pikes ought to be the anti cav not them.

-giving 3.0 mass to pikes, 2.0 mass to spears, 1.5 mass to halbs, everyone else in foot goes from 1 to 0.5
the few longspear(s) get 2.5 mass.
it has to be tested, in my game today it was bizarre the extra mass + the forward river of men was.. funny indeed. got a hundred screenshots lol

offcourse this correlates to specific settings on mount.txt to define cav mass... i believe a reasonable amount may be found in the old files at my sig. (along with some extra data i am likely forgotten)

**ivanhoex** · January 19, 2009, 11:42 PM

found the latest data i was testing:
hope it serves for comparison purposes

for each quality change from "trained" on the unit type add +/- 0,5

Codename (trained) mass
BOW 0,35
LBOW 0,35
COMPO 0,35
JAV 0,4
GUN 0,4
ARQ 0,4
MUSKET 0,4
CROSS 0,35
HCROSS 0,35
FIRE 0,4
NAFTA 0,4
DAGGER 0,4
SWORD 0,6
2HSWORD 2
BLUNT 0,6
2HBLUNT 2
HALBERD 1
LSPEAR 1
SPEAR 2
PIKE 3

please remember that in my calc pikes have 2 weapons, so they are much more vulnerable to cav charge.
they have to kill half a cav unit in their first charge or they get into trouble

Horse Mass in mounts.txt
(all cav units in edu shall have 0.5 mass just in case)

Type Mass

Camel 1.8
eastern armoured horse 2.6
armoured horse 2.5
barded horse 2.1
templ barded horse 2.1
hospi barded horse 2.1
mailed horse 2.3
templ mailed horse 2.3
hospi mailed horse 2.3
pony 1
fast pony 0.5
heavy horse 2

**Taiji** · January 20, 2009, 06:14 AM

Very interesting info and approach Ivanhoex, thanks for sharing. I shouldn't have varied the rider mass based on horse armor now I think about it, I should have varied it with rider armor and quality. I think with current settings horse mass will need to come up slightly. I am happy that high quality heavy infantry troops are not sent flying all over the place when charged, these men would have trained to defeat heavy cav and would probably be heavier in reality than most spearmen.

I am thinking we could reduce the mount radius if increasing the horse mass slightly does not improve cavalry penetration. We could also reduce the radius of some anti cav units to increase resistance to cav penetration.

**ivanhoex** · January 20, 2009, 11:03 AM

adjusting units radius might cause more problems all around. becareful.

think about thin walls, broken doors, etc, where units will be one on top of the other, they will push people in the air or just bug themselves

about heavys, i dont care about them not flying in the air, if they die like the rest... as you can see, i didnt allow swords to be good anti cav but i allowed it to 2 handed weapons.
also 2 handed weapons have more mass because they are supose to be able to break into a pike formation. with less mass they just cant get near a phalanx... not close enough to hit.

this way you enforce the use of different types of units, not having the overall perfect unit like it was the DFK

btw in later mid ages only a mad man will allow a row of heavy armored fellas with swords or one hand axes to face and try to stop a heavy cavalry charge.
it would be the best way of suiciding their best shock troops. they will use spears in the front or pikes. if they had not any of those (weird uh?) they will try to set up a defensive position, using trenches and the like were a cavalry charge wont be an option...

if short weapons were the clue against heavy cav then no one would have used spears or pikes XD

also, my quality levels just in case:

1-peasant/militia
2-fanatic/low training
3-trained/slightly profesional/merc
4-highly trained/professional/knight
5-elite/special

for example a lot of lit units belong to 2 because they are hunters or with similar low training
i make the difference between quality in mounts be achieved by other qualities than mass. i am not sure the game even reads the mass value in edu for them.

**Taiji** · January 20, 2009, 12:07 PM

It's still very foolish to use all heavy inf as front line anti cav. Spears, halberds and of course pikes do a fine job. Still if you are looking for a target for heavy cav you will no longer be able to 'fire and forget' with confidence versus good heavy infantry, you will need to charge them a couple of times or as the cav becomes bogged down they will start to fall. Previously you could take 3 or 4 heavy cav units and wipe out an entire enemy army in a single charge regardless of the armys composition, well not any more.

I like how heavy armored guys with swords can stand and fight each other for a long time, really raises the value of AP weapons

Also I'm quite happy with kill rates for missile weapons so far.

I am still not happy that spearmen die faster than everyone else, they still flow too tightly together raising their kill rate but also their opponents. I like the chaos of it but it's just not right.

**ivanhoex** · January 21, 2009, 09:11 AM

test a little with unit formations, the part of edu taht asigns depth and width of ranks... maybe that helps

**Taiji** · January 21, 2009, 10:10 AM

OMG you could be onto something there Ivanhoex! That sounds like it could solve at least half the problem. I'll check it out mate, thanks!

**Agis Tournas** · January 21, 2009, 12:13 PM

Hello Taiji,
Which are your latest files?
Are the ones in the first post?
Thank you
Agis

**Taiji** · January 21, 2009, 12:23 PM

Yep, grab the EDU from here.

Then I really recommend you grab the weapon upgrade removal from here http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=218717

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