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    This thread can be used for team members to discuss the Khmer Empire faction. Research, ideas, and imagery to use in our development of the faction are appreciated.
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    first pic is khmer and the second is actually Champa

    other random stuff



    - champa







    a thai general of some kind


    Quote Originally Posted by Augustus Lucifer
    This looks like a really nice site, gives a virtual tour of the National Gallery of Art in Washington D.C. and Information on the various things exhibited. This particular page has Cambodian art, which was part of the Khmer Empire.

    http://www.nga.gov/exhibitions/cambo...mrmenter-0.htm

    Here's just a few of the interesting images and information:



    Antefix, Architectural Element in the Form of a Prasat (Sanctuary-Tower)
    Angkor period, style of Banteay Srei, c. 967
    sandstone
    Banteay Srei
    National Museum of Cambodia, Phnom Penh



    Guardian with Yaksa (Genie) Head
    Angkor period, style of Banteay Srei, c. 967
    sandstone
    Banteay Srei
    National Museum of Cambodia, Phnom Penh



    Adorned Buddha Protected by the Naga
    Angkor period, style of Angkor Wat, 1st half of 12th century
    sandstone
    A cave in the Sisophon region
    National Museum of Cambodia, Phnom Penh



    Dvarapala
    Angkor period, style of the Bayon, late 12th-early 13th century
    sandstone
    Preah Thkol, Preah Khan (Kompong Svay)
    Musée national des Arts asiatiques-Guimet, Paris

    The figure's bulging eyes, snake armbands, and club (only the handle and lower part survive) typify images of dvarapala. These "guardians of the gate" were usually carved in pairs and placed at both sides of the principal entrance to a temple.

    Jayavarman VII and the Art of the Bayon

    Under the last great sovereign of Angkor, Jayavarman VII (r. 1181-1218?), the territory and influence of the Khmer empire reached its zenith. In 1177, Champa (a kingdom in central Vietnam) had invaded Angkor and occupied the capital. Jayavarman drove the Chams from Cambodia in 1181, ascended the throne, conquered Champa, and extracted tribute from much of Thailand and Laos. He rebuilt the capital, creating the royal city of Angkor Thom. A devout Buddhist, he proclaimed Buddhism the state religion and ordered the construction of more temples than any of his predecessors, including the monastic complexes of Preah Khan and Ta Prohm. The state temple of the Bayon, his grandest creation, was built at the very heart of Angkor Thom and has given its name to the artistic style of the age.

    Sculpture in the Bayon style is marked by intense spirituality. The serene, contemplative expressions of the figures reflect the humility and compassion associated with Buddhism, and perhaps even with Jayavarman VII himself. His concern for his people led to the construction of 102 hospitals, pilgrims' rest houses, bridges, and other public works. Sculpture of the time also became more individualized, as in the two heads thought to be portraits of Jayavarman VII and the possible portrait of his deceased wife, Queen Jayarajadevi in the guise of the Buddhist deity Tara.



    Balustrade End with Naga and Garuda
    Angkor period, style of the Bayon, late 12th-early 13th century
    sandstone
    Preah Thkol, Preah Khan (Kompong Svay)
    Musée national des Arts asiatiques-Guimet, Paris

    This fragment of a balustrade, one of two that flanked a causeway to a temple, terminates in an image of a winged garuda (half-man, half-bird of prey) astride a naga (many-headed serpent). The combined forces of these two natural enemies (bird and snake) made them fearsome temple guardians.



    Lower Register of a Pediment
    Angkor period, style of the Bayon, late 12th-early 13th century
    sandstone
    Bayon, Angkor Thom
    Musée national des Arts asiatiques-Guimet, Paris

    Found at the Bayon, the Buddhist temple at the heart of the city of Angkor Thom (see photomural at right), this deeply carved relief represents nine apsaras (celestial dancers). Their gestures and poses - with hands arched backward and weight balanced on one strongly flexed foot - are identical to those found in classical Khmer dance today.

    Bronze Casting in Cambodia

    Craftsmen in Southeast Asia had mastered the art of bronze casting by the early centuries a.d., when ritual objects such as urns and bells were fashioned from a copper-tin alloy. In Cambodia the fine craftsmanship of the earliest surviving bronze figures, from the seventh and eighth centuries, indicates long-standing knowledge of lost-wax casting. The techniques practiced by Khmer sculptors are unknown, but the process generally involves making a model out of clay or plaster and encasing it in a fireproof mold, with a layer of wax between the mold and the model. When baked, the wax runs out and molten bronze is poured into the space left by the melted wax.

    The Vishnu reclining in cosmic sleep was cast in sections that were then fitted together. Decorative elements, such as the armband, helped mask the joins. The small, rectilinear patches on, for example, the figure's forehead, chest, and upper arm indicate that casting on this monumental scale posed problems for the sculptor. The missing insets for the mustache, eyes, and eyebrows were probably made of precious metals such as gold or silver. Holes in the head indicate that the god once wore a detachable diadem.

    Sculpture in the Age of Suryavarman II

    The cult of Vishnu was particularly important in the reign of Suryavarman II (r. 1113-at least 1145), who chose the god as his patron deity. The two standing images of Vishnu are rendered in the remote, hieratic style typical of the period. The Vishnuite monument was brought to France in 1873 by Louis Delaporte, whose rendering of Angkor Wat appears in the photomural. The monument is carved with 1,020 miniature images of Vishnu, expressing his omnipresence. On the pediments at top are images of Vishnu with eight arms, with four arms, reclining on a dragon-serpent, and standing on his winged mount, the mythological Garuda.

    Much of the Buddhist sculpture of the twelfth century is lavishly adorned with crowns and jewelry, reflecting the later Khmer conception of the Buddha as king, in contrast to the simplicity espoused by the Buddha himself. The most important cult statues in Buddhist temples of the twelfth century depict the Buddha seated on the coiled body of the naga (multiheaded serpent). According to legend, the historical Buddha was meditating under a tree when a torrential thunderstorm broke. Mucilinda, the naga king of the nearby lake, emerged from the tree roots and spread his cobralike hood over the Buddha to protect him. The image conveys the power of spiritual energy to pacify a dangerous creature and to transform evil into goodness.
    Quote Originally Posted by Augustus Lucifer
    INSTRUMENTS

    There are many different traditional instruments in Cambodia and indeed traditional music is still played and enjoyed by many Cambodians. These traditional instruments are all hand made in rural or urban settings, they are works of Art for themselves. Theses instruments are organized in orchestras that will be present for all important moments of their lives; Weddings, funerals, boxing matches, folk songs and dances, Buddhist rituals, etc. They are various orchestras and each of them possesses particular sound properties and instrumentation, nevertheless the two more common are the pin peat and the mohori.



    The pin peat is a predominant percussion orchestra, which is most common with the shadow theatre, court dance, all-male dance-drama, and temple ceremonies. It usually consist of the following instruments:

    Sralai: quadruple-reed hard hood or ivory instrument, akin to an oboe.
    Roneat ek: High-pitched xylophone with twenty-one wooden or bamboo keys.
    Roneat thung: Low-pitched xylophone with sixteen wooden or bamboo keys.
    Roneat dek: xylophone with twenty-one steel keys.
    Kong Thom: Low-pitched circle of sixteen knobbed gongs set within a large rattan frame.
    Kong Touc: Similar to kong thom, but with smaller gongs and frame, and a higher pitch.
    Samph : double-headed barrel drum mounted horizontally on a stand; heads covered with calf skin and played with the hands.
    Skor thom: large pair of barrel drums held in tilted position on stands; head covered with cow skin; sounded with mallets.
    Chheung: small handheld brass cymbals.

    The mohori orchestra, combining strings with wind and percussion instruments plays folks or entertainment music. The instruments usually found in this ensemble are;

    Roneat ek: High-pitched xylophone with twenty-one wooden or bamboo keys.
    Roneat thung: Low-pitched xylophone with sixteen wooden or bamboo keys.
    Chheung: small handheld brass cymbals.
    Khloy: Bamboo flute.
    Tro Chhe: high-pitched, two-strings fiddle with cylindrical resonating box made from wood, ivory or buffalo horn.
    Tro Sau: Two-stringed fiddles with cylindrical resonating box made from wood, bamboo, ivory, or buffalo horn and covered with snakeskin.
    Tro Ou: two-stringed fiddle with resonating box made from a coconut shell.
    Krapeu or Takhe: wooden, three-stringed plucked zither; in shape of crocodile.
    Khim: Hammered dulcimer
    Thaun rumanea: pair of drums; one goblet drum made from clay or wood with calf or snake skin head and one shallow frame drum; may replace skor areak.
    Skor areak: goblet drum made from wood or clay; head covered with snakeskin; may replace thaun rumanea.

    Other instruments;
    Pey Bobos or Pey: bamboo flute with double reed.
    Ploy: mouth organ fashioned from a gourd with bamboo pipes.

    Dances in Cambodia


    Dance in Cambodia is as ancient as the temples of Angkor. Indeed, many of the temples in the Angkor complex are decorated with Apsara dancers carved in bas-relief; a single gallery in Angkor Wat alone features over 1,500 of them. The word Apsara derives, like much of the culture of ancient Angkor, from Indian Hindu influences. Apsaras were lesser goddesses of unimaginable beauty, born of a sea of churning milk, whose job it was to dance for the entertainment of higher gods. The term "apsara dance" today is interchangeable with court dance and classical dance. All refer to the form of dancing and musical accompaniment that formed a central part of the culture of the Khmer Empire from its establishment, during the 9th century AD until its decline 400 years later. Some scholars argue that there was evidence of classical dance as long ago as the 1st century.

    During the 12th century reign of Jayavarman VII, over 3,000 dancers are said to have performed at the Royal Court. The dances were mostly based on stories taken from the Hindu epic the Ramayana, and the dancers were trained, as they are now, to perform four parts: Neang (the male lead), Neang Rong (the male lead), Yeaksa (the giant) and Svar (the monkey). Originally all these parts where performed by women, until men began to perform the monkey role in the final century of the Empire. The dancers originally performed topless, and so they are often depicted in bas-relief. It was only due to later Chinese influence that they began performing clothed. The dances feature over 4,500 body movements known in Khmer as kbach. A pin peat ensemble provides musical accompaniment alongside singers who narrate the stories.


    Aspara Dance

    One of the major forms of Khmer dancing, Apsara dance incorporates parts of other, much older forms of traditional dance with its roots in animism and primitive magic, with Hindu forms introduced in the 1st century. Classical dance took on its own unique form, adding movements and meaning, during the reigns of Kings Jayavarman I to VII.



    At the heart of classical dance are the graceful movements of the Apsara dancers, adorned with gold headdresses and silken tunics and skirts, as seen carved on the walls of many of the temples at Angkor. Estimates are that there were 3,000 Apsara dancers in the 12th century court of King Jayavarman VII.
    Over the centuries Khmer dancing lent its influence to the classical ballet of neighboring countries, and some of its postures and movements are similar to other Southeast Asian dance forms. Apsara dancing is one of two elements of classical ballet. There are four typical roles in Khmer dance: male, female, giant and monkey; the first three being the domain of women and girls, leaving the monkey roles to the men. In the early days it is believed that all dancers were female. Most of the dancers in the Royal Dance Troupe today are female. Dancing holds great significance for the Khmer people, and the government considers the Royal Ballet in particular to be a national treasure.



    The repertoire of Apsara dances is composed of dance-dramas representing certain sequences from the Reamker, other mythical-historical tales and stories of the lives of Buddha, as well as exclusively ceremonial dances and new, shorter pieces.

    Stereotyped ideals of social behavior are communicated in the pure dance as well as in the narrative pieces. The shyness, gentleness, and intelligence prized in women, and the strength and bravery of men are all recognizable through gesture, story, and facial expression to a Khmer audience.

    The Sback Thom: Cambodian Shadow Theatre

    Sback thom means literally "large leather ", and refers both to the form of shadow theatre performed in Cambodia and to the cut-out leather puppets it employs. This traditional form of dance is believed to have come from the ancient Siamese court in the 15th century, which explains that is also known as nang sback (nang being the Siamese word for leather).

    The panels used are up to 1 square meter and these differentiate the Sback Thom from other forms of shadow theatre. These panels are attached to one or two vertical wooden rods, which lend support, and serve as handles with which the player manipulates the sback above is head. Which also distinguishes the sback thom from other shadow theater is the complementary dancing of the players, which contributes to the dancing character of the sbacks.



    Most of the representations in the Sback thom take its sources in the Reamker, one of the earliest known literary works to have been composed in Khmer, which is in fact a Khmer version of the Indian Ramayana. It is thought to have been a sort of libretto for dramatic performances, and the Sback thom is entirely dedicated to representations of episodes of this epic tale. It is usually performed at open space with no raised stage.


    Ceremonial Dances and Theatrical Folk Dances

    Ceremonial and theatrical folk dances distinguish themselves from court dances in terms of story line, costuming, and performance setting. The ceremonial dances, as indicated, are representations of ceremonial folk dances, including dances still performed as part of ritual celebrations today. The Theatrical folk dances, are mostly inspired from daily activities in the countryside, and also cover urban interpretation and adaptation of ritual performances.



    [/B]Not all of the above information may be from our time period or useful, but I am putting it here because it is interesting culturally, until I can determine which parts can be useful and what they can be transformed into. Certainly a theatre-type building and various ancillaries are possible.
    Quote Originally Posted by RollingWave


    Angkor wat built for King Suryavarman II in the early 12th century as his state temple and capital city
    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkkiller
    Khmer Religion

    Since the ancient time, the Khmers had accepted the two great religions from India, i.e. Hinduism and Buddhism, by which the former one was more popular. Hinduism had played an important role in Khmer civilization as the Angkor monarchs adopted its concept of deva-raja, or "god-king", by which the king was revered as an incarnation of the god Shiva, a supreme Hindu deity who was regarded as a protector.
    Most temples in the Angkor Empire were dedicated to either god Shiva or god Vishnu. Believed to be the holy house of the supreme gods, the temples were carefully built with fine arts, and the materials used are those of everlasting stones. Many impressive sculptures of great craftsmanship were enshrined.
    The second religion being revered by the Khmers was Buddhism of Mahayana sect which came into the region quite at same time as Hinduism, however, Buddhism was less prominent.
    Both Hinduism and Mahayana Buddhism played an important role as the political, religious and philosophical pillars of Khmer Civilization by which the king was revered as the god-king or deva-raja. This ideology enabled the king to rule over the country as an absolute monarch with sovereign spirituality over his people, and thus enhanced the unity of the kingdom. Successive kings were able to mobilize large manpower to serve the army, to maintain extensive irrigation system and to build numerous massive temples.
    Not until the 13th century, Theravada Buddhism was introduced to the Khmer from Sri Lanka and became more prominent in the royal court as well as in the local people. The teaching of Theravada Buddhism directly crashed with the original belief of the Khmer people as it taught the people to seek self enlightenment and abandoned the worldly things. With this teaching, the attitudes of the people towards its Hindu gods as well as the god-king changed, and thus led to the gradual weakening of the empire which eventually collapsed in the first half of 15th century.
    The Khmer people seem to be the obedient students, as they did not raise doubts about the religious teaching of the original doctrines. We can see in Khmer history that the religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism were not divided into the different sub-sects in the land of Khmer, as they were so in some other civilizations.
    In addition to Hinduism and Buddhism, the Khmer people also had their own indigenous beliefs such as the local deities, ancestral spirits, as well as the evil spirits. There are no inscriptions or manuscripts to describe these beliefs, however, it can be found to be prevalent in modern Cambodia, especially in the remote villages. These beliefs are passed on from one generation to another through the words of mouth.


    Source: http://www.cambodia-travel.com/khmer/religion.htm

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    The only Khmer city that should start out with stone walls, should be Angkor. The rest should have wooden/dirt mounds for walls. Here's the wall that surrounded the Khmer capital, Angkor. It was square in shape and had 5 entrances.

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    5 Entrances? Thats strange I only counted 4 when I made the model(that's 4 entrances in the outer wall), by the way do the square corners from Angkor Wat count as entrances as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wundai View Post
    5 Entrances? Thats strange I only counted 4 when I made the model(that's 4 entrances in the outer wall), by the way do the square corners from Angkor Wat count as entrances as well?


    I'm not sure how many entrances Angkor Wat (Temple) has, but the city, Angkor has 5 entrances within a nine km square.

    Here you can see the layout of the city. Labeled Angkor Tom (Thom) was the location of the walled city with five roads leading into the city. Two roads leading into the city from the east, and 1 from the north, south and west. Angkor Wat (Just below) was just a temple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wundai View Post
    5 Entrances? Thats strange I only counted 4 when I made the model(that's 4 entrances in the outer wall), by the way do the square corners from Angkor Wat count as entrances as well?
    As stated above I think the 5 is in reference to the city itself, of which the temple served as the central hub but not the whole of it. RollingWave posted a nice aerial photo:
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    I'm guessing you based yours on the replica model shown on wikipedia:
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    At any rate, I don't think the entrances are off at all. Based on this render of the model:
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    I'd say the differences between it and the pictures lie largely in proportion. The pictures seem to show the inner wall and the inner temple structure in a close-together manner, whereas in that picture of the model, there is a lot of space between the inner wall and the temple structure(as well as more space on one side, the back, than the other). As well there seem to be some tiering differences in the inner temple, which looks to have more layers, steps that seem to graduate up to the structure under it likely for support but also seemingly as a design aspect. Here's my 10 second mockup edit to the replica to highlight what I'm referring to:
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    which looks to have more layers, steps that seem to graduate up to the structure under it likely for support but also seemingly as a design aspect.
    There is indeed steps and layers. If you look at Angkor Wat from the front, you'll notice how the central tower rises above all other towers. I think the render looks good as is, maybe the inner walls can be condensed to a square more compact shape would help, but I think it looks good the way it is.

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    What is also to be considered, at least at current with the model, is that it will be fairly small for its complexities on the strat map, and as such we don't want to be overly meticulous with the model for things that can be achieved with textures, as opposed to if it were going on the battle map where it is subject to pathfinding.

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    I think that we should have stupas and pagodas in South-East Asia to represent the spread of Buddhism and its Singhalese forms.

    Here is a map showing their locations:

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    Red arrow=Spread of Buddhism by the 5th Century CE
    Orange Arrow=Diffusion of Singhalese form of Theravada Buddhism, 12th Century CE
    semi-circular shape=stupa
    pagoda shape=pagoda
    orange dot=major Buddhist centre.

    Bear in mind the whole shaded area shows where Buddhism was present in the 12th Century CE

    From the firm base established in India under Ashoka, Buddhism spread, over succeeding centuries, to neighbouring and distant lands. By the 5th Century CE it had taken root in many parts of South-East Asia, frequently in conjunction with Hindusim and sponsored by increasingly Indianised states. The Mahayana and Theravada schools were both initially well represented; new contacts coming from Ceylon in the 12th Century led to the increasing dominance of the latter.
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    Okay since you posted this in the Khmer thread I'll go soft delete the other thread you'd made before.

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    About Angkor:

    I'd say we don't need the extra layers and steps either.
    Its what you said yourself Lucifer Strat Map Models are kind off small, no real reason of putting alot of details in them what can't be already done with textures. Still this one would be a good basis for a Battlemap Model, I'd improve the shape of the towers ofcourse

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    I'm not sure how ships are going to play a part in the game. Or if you're going to make rivers navigable. A big part of why the Khmer Empire flourished was because of it's intricate water system and canal systems.
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    *From the naval battles between the Khmers and the Chams, who hailed from the Kingdom of Champa once located in Central Vietnam prior to the 14th-15th Century. The two ancient rival kingdoms battled it out on the Tonle Sap Lake in 1177 A.D., which had accounts of a lake filled with blood after the Khmer naval victory.






    Chou Ta-Kuan's accounts of the Khmer Naval fleet:

    a) They are all low in the water;

    b) They are elongated, 'broad in the center and tapering at the two ends' as Chou Ta-Kuan has it.

    c) They have no sails and can carry several persons; they are propelled by oars' as he says. We should add that the oarsmen are replaced by paddlers. Rowers or paddlers are divided into two symmetrical rows.

    d) They are steered by a helmsman positioned at the rear end possessing one big oar which acts as a rudder;

    e) Lastly, they are all laden with warriors ready for the fight.


    The District King assigned a royal administration to defend his district. He divided his navy into three different types of boats with his troops trained in specific fighting styles:

    Group 1- The Vanguard:
    A boat that is similar in shape to today’s naga serpent racing boat.

    Group 2- The Reserve Army:
    The rowing boats travelled two abreast.

    Group 3- Bassak Army:
    A large boat with a roof structure, fixed oars and sail. This boat is similar in shape to the traditional “Junk” used on the Bassak. The boat was used primarily to store the army’s weapons and supplies.


    Images from a 3-D graphic recreation of canals and waterways of Angkor, Kambuja (Cambodia) in the year 1296 A.D.
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    These are WAX figures from the Cambodian Cultural Village in Cambodia.

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    Mounted Water Buffalo:




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    Monkey God:







    Source: http://reahu.net/


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    Here's depictions of how some of the temples would have looked like. Maybe some of these pictures can be used for building icons.










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    Darn beautiful buildings

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    Fantastic 3d animation of Angkor Wat and its environs. Made by Tom Chandler of Monash University, Oz. He's did these images as well:







    Trying to find the actually animation of this war procession with the elephants. Might actually email the guy, who knows might be a TW fan There's enough concept art here I guess and I have book 'Armies of Angkor' with copies of all the base reliefs, details of weapons and armour. The only ting I'm missing is colour scheme which this guy seems to have nailed.

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    LOL. I was soooo right (this is from the guy that produced the artwork above)!

    Dear Alex, thanks for your interest, your project is in fact very close to my heart, I'm a big fan of Total War, though the Rome release with its American accented centurians really annoyed me... I must admit a soft spot for the vintage Shogun, which i still play occaisionally. I've long day-dreamed about what it would be like to use the engine for a Khmer/Angkor mod but it looks like you're on the verge of doing it!
    Terrific!

    We made a battle animation some years ago but never released it in full, aside from some clips used by a couple of documentaries. I was primarily using it as an example of what digital technologies could do for Angkor to represent a dynamic and highly coloured past in contrast to the heavy traditional emphasis on the imagery of 'timeless' jungle-strangled ruins, a perception which still dominates the public (western) imagination of the city. Moreover, I was trying to make something that would appeal in a high impact way to Khmer teenagers, especially those considering entering into the nascent 3D animation scene there
    Could you give me a little more info on your project? Is this an academic project or mod-gaming community one? What is your release date and how much of South East Asia will you be covering? Are you including the Thai here? and the Dai-viet?

    I'd be enthused to collaborate with you here. The main thing is, and I'm glad to see you're at a university, is there scope for a co-authored published paper at some point?

    My research has moved on to the structure of the city of Angkor and daily life, as you've seen in the latest National Geo releases, but I have a lot of Khmer military research (models, textures, etc, all of it painstakingly cross checked by experts in the field) that is frankly gathering dust on my hard-drive.

    Cheers,
    Tom
    Not sure how to proceed, as you guys know I work for a university though I'm not an academic (work in student recruitment). I sent the email to Tom from my university work address as I thought it might provoke more interest. Now he wants to co-author a paper ? I think I should level with him, and tell him what we're doing is a mod-community project, but with strong possible educational uses (like EB?). Hopefully he'll still be interested. If he wants to publish/use AUH as a case study, we should definately let him. Wondered what your thoughts are on this? For more background on Tom check out this article.



    Cheers.

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    Man, I say definatly go for it, look at what he's offering besides this paper ( he might have a possibly entire Khmer faction on his hardrive right now) ofcourse tell him the truth about our goals, but AUH could always work as a mod AND an educational project, as long as the TWC community(and more) gets to play it too, I don't see a problem here
    We were always aiming for realism anyway

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    Default Re: [Faction Discussion] Khmer Empire

    Thats what I thought mate, I wrote him a long reply explaining a bit more about what we're doing - fingers crossed he's still up for contributing.

  20. #20

    Default Re: [Faction Discussion] Khmer Empire

    tom's send me some higher quality renders, and we're talking about accessing the models and textures his team has developed:

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