Quotes Discussion

[Augustus Lucifer]

Submit all of your Asian-themed quotes here, with the full text and the author. If you wish to provide a translation in the native language as well, then by all means do so and it should be able to be provided in-game.

These quotes should be relative to the game, ie spiritual, military, economical, cultural, etc. So not something from a Chinese 2008 Olympian... obviously. That being said the person quoted doesn't need to be from this time frame, it just needs to have a relevant subject matter.

[TheLastPrivate]

살고자 하는 자는 죽을 것이나 죽고자 하는 자는 살 것이다.
Those who seek life shall die, but those who seek death shall live.

Admiral Yi Sun Shin of Joseon, night before he destroyed a fleet of 133 warships with 13 warships.



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• 그대의 신기한 책략은 하늘의 이치를 다했고
  Your divine strategy has reached the principles the of Heavens,
  
  요묘한 계산은 땅의 이치를 꿰뚫었도다
  Your abstruse tactics have pierced the logic of the lands.
  
  그대 전쟁에 이겨 이미 공이 높으니
  Since you are of great honor as you have already won the war,
  
  만족함을 알고 그만두기를 바라노라
  Why not be content and stop the war?
  

A satirical poem by general Uljimundok of Goguryeo, written to general Yu Zhongwen of Sui during the second Goguryeo-Sui War.

Slightly different translation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gogurye...ote-cummings-3

[Augustus Lucifer]

살고자 하는 자는 죽을 것이나 죽고자 하는 자는 살 것이다.
Those who seek life shall die, but those who seek death shall live.

Admiral Yi Sun Shin of Joseon, night before he destroyed a fleet of 133 warships with 13 warships.



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• 그대의 신기한 책략은 하늘의 이치를 다했고
  Your divine strategy has reached the principles the of Heavens,
  
  요묘한 계산은 땅의 이치를 꿰뚫었도다
  Your abstruse tactics have pierced the logic of the lands.
  
  그대 전쟁에 이겨 이미 공이 높으니
  Since you are of great honor as you have already won the war,
  
  만족함을 알고 그만두기를 바라노라
  Why not be content and stop the war?
  

A satirical poem by general Uljimundok of Goguryeo, written to general Yu Zhongwen of Sui during the second Goguryeo-Sui War.

Slightly different translation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gogurye...ote-cummings-3

These have been added.

[STELLover]

I have some as well

"Do not weep. Do not notify my men of my death. But beat the drums, blow the trumpets, raise the flags. We are still fighting; finish the enemy to the last one"
Amiral Yi Sun Shin at his death-


Anyone can give up- its the easiest thing to do in a battle. But hold it together while everyone else would understand if you fell apart. That is the true strength
Amiral Yi Sun Shin rallying his men at Myeong Dong


A man can live 40 days without food, 3 days without water, and 8 seconds without air, but only one second without hope
General Kun Mi during the invasion of the Mongol Khanate 1180AD


To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting
Sun Tzu- Art of War Volume II


Why do you needlessly march out of formation at the eve of battle- for I tell you- true courage is not shown physically but is the mental victory to conquer all fears in an act of duty
Wanyan Nianhan General from the Jin Dynasty 1173AD


..For his men followed him, and his sharp eyes made even the demons crawl out of the very formations of men
Taira no Munemori- Genpei Chronicles pg211


Never in history has out state suffered much chaos
Tran Hung Dao at the third Mongol invasion 1287 AD

[Osceola]

"I understand Your Majesty's humane feelings perfectly, but what would become of our country ancestors' land, and of our forefather's temples? If you want to surrender, please have my head cut off first". - Tran Hung Dao

[Sultan Nedim]

The color of the mountains is Buddha's body; the sound of running water is his great speech.
Dogen
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime
Chinese proverb
good, reap good;Do evil reap evil Chinese proverb
Keep your allies close but keep your enemies even closer, Sun Tzu
“With Heaven's aid I have conquered for you a huge empire. But my life was too short to achieve the conquest of the world. That task is left for you” Genghis Khan, this should be like the theme quote
“The greatest happiness is to scatter your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters.”
Genghis Khan

[fugazi_]

In 1076, at the Nhu Nguyet river, during the battle with the Sung, Ly Thuong Kiet composed a poem and had it recited during the night to his soldiers and making them believe that the river god was speaking. Their morale was higher than ever, Ly army repelled the attackers. Perhaps it's a bit on the long side, but nevertheless; here goes.

Over the southern mountains and rivers, the Emperor of the South shall reign,
This was written down in the Book of Heaven.
How dare those barbarians invade our soil? They will surely meet with defeat.

Nam Quc sn h Nam Ð c
tit nhiên nh phn ti thiên th
nh h nghch l lai xâm phm
nh ng hnh khan th bi h

L Thng Kit


In late 1287 at the Hoa river, Kien An province, THD publicly swore oath before launching a big offensive against the Mongols. Omar (O Ma Nhi), the Mongol general was taken prisoner. Toghan (Thoat Hoan), son of Kublai was hurriedly withdrew.

If the Mongols are not defeated, we will not retreat.

Trn Hng Ðo

source: www.viettouch.com

[Augustus Lucifer]

Interesting. I should probably add some of these, will put on my to-do list since quotes are painfully easy.

[Vaz]

호랑이도 제 말하면 온다
If you speak of the tiger, it will come

Korean Proverb

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I know it may be a bit early, but Confucius was a major factor, but the Art of War and Confucius' writings were still prominent at that time, (still are today), and there are many in there.

i.e "The Superior Man is aware of Righteousness, the inferior man is aware of advantage."

[RollingWave]

Lee Qing Zhao, famous Song dynasty female poet (1084-1156?) right before this period.

只恐雙溪舴艋舟，載不動、許多愁。

One fear for these tiny cricket like boats, how can they carry the entire river's sorrow?

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Yue Fei (1103-1142) , Song dynasty general

三十功名塵與土，八千里路雲和月

Thrity years of fame are just earth and dust, Eight Thousand miles of roads are just moons and clouds.

精忠報國

Utter loyalty and service - the words tattooed on his back

還我山河

Return me my mountains and rivers! -the caligraphy he wrote that now hangs on his temple

文臣不愛錢，武臣不惜命，天下當太平

If officials don't love money, and generals are willing to risk their lifes, then all under heaven shall come to peace.


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Wen Tian Xian (1236-1283) , late Song dynasty official

人生自古誰無死,留取丹心照汗青

No men in history have not died, but their deeds shine forever in the records!

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Su Shi (1037-1101)- Song dynasty poet / official

人有悲歡離合,月有陰晴圓缺,此事古難全
但願人長久,千里共嬋娟

People have happy times, sad times , gatherings and partings. Just like the Moon have eclipies and phases. This is the way it's always been, all we can hope is for each other's good health, and watch the same moon thousands of miles apart. (might need to split to two quote)

大江東去，浪淘盡、千古風流人物。

The Great River flow eastward , it's wave wash up all... of history's heroes.

人生如夢，一尊還酹江月。

A person's life is but a dream, let us drink to the river and moon.

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Wang An Shi (1021-1086) Song dynasty official.

天變不足畏，祖宗不足法，人言不足恤

Natural disastors are not to be feared, the ancestors decree can not be followed as law, the people's words are not enough to give relief.

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Lu Yiu (1125-1210) Song dynasty poet / official

胡未滅，鬢先秋，淚空流！
此生誰料，心在天山，身老滄洲。

The barbarians are not destroyed, but my beard's already grey, my tears shed for nothing! Who could have thought of this life? My heart is up at the north, but my body have grown old in the south.

死去原知萬事空，但悲不見九州同。王師北定中原日，家祭毋忘告乃翁

I know that all things end with death, but I am sadden to see that China is not united. When the day our army retake the north, please remember to tell his old man in his grave.

- his death poem.

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Lee Yu (937-978) Final King of the Southern Tang kingdom.

問君能有幾多愁，恰似一江春水向東流。

You ask how to describe my sorrow?? Just like a river of water in spring flowing eastward.

無限江山，別時容易見時難。

Endless realm! it's easy to part but hard to see again!

流水落花春去也，天上人間

The flowers drop into the stream and flow away with the Spring, heaven on earth.


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李商隱 (812-858) Tang dynasty poet

夕陽無限好　只是近黃昏

The sun set is impossiblly beautiful, but the darkness of night soon follows.

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Du Mu (803-852) Tang dynasty poet

商女不知亡國恨，隔江猶唱後庭花

The merchant's daughters are unaware of the pain of their country's demise, they still sing across the rivers.

[RollingWave]

Yelu, would it be alright if I start and write the descr_quote file based on this thread?

[Yelü Dashi]

Yes of course please go ahead. Only plea from me is to keep the pinyin consistent.
Cheers.

[uanime5]

Book of Chinese proverbs
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=5...page&q&f=false

Wisdom from Chinese proverbs
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=g...page&q&f=false

I have a book called 'The Little Book of Chinese Proverbs' by Jonathan Clements, so I can provide some proverbs relating to war, honour, work, and love. It's all in English so I can't include any Chinese characters.

[RollingWave]

so i should include both the original and the translation right?

[RollingWave]

Alright, here's a first crack, included almost all the onces provided by the posters here, and added a few more chinese quote.

we're only up to 45 so far, which is fairly low, the SS one for example is around 120-130 .

I would really hope to get a bit more quote from other culture, I could add it up to 100 or so just by myself with Chinese quotes, but then we'll end up with a quote log that has like 95% Chinese stuff and 5% everything else... (right now it's already like 65% chinese )

[Yelü Dashi]

This looks good RW, thanks for your efforts. Can anyone help with additional cultures ?

RW- Have you trawled the Viet and Korean threads, seem to remember there were some contained within the pages of 'chat' we've had

[RollingWave]

ok i'll go look around, I tested the quotes in my game but it seems that the Chinese / Japanese / Korean charactors won't show up , but SS managed to get Greek letters to show up so there must be someway around that I think...

I'll keep adding as I find good quotes.

[hshg]

Genghis Khan quotes:
1."“The greatest happiness is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.”"
2."“It is not sufficient that I suceed - all others must fail.”
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3."“With Heaven's aid I have conquered for you a huge empire. But my life was too short to achieve the conquest of the world. That task is left for you”"

4.""As my calling is high, the obligations incumbent upon me are also heavy; and I fear that in my ruling there may be something wanting"
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5."Heaven has appointed me to rule all the nations, for hitherto there has been no order upon the steppes."
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6."Be of one mind and one faith, that you may conquer your enemies and lead long and happy lives."
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7."Those who were adept and brave fellows I have made military commanders. Those who were quick and nimble I have made herders of horses. Those who were not adept I have given a small whip and sent to be shepherds""

8.""If unable to abstain from drinking, a man may get drunk three times a month; if he does it more than three times he is culpable; if he gets drunk twice a month it is better; if once a month, this is still more laudable; and if one does not drink at all what can be better? But where can I find such a man? If such a man were found he would be worthy of the highest esteem."
"-the yasa code
9.""Perhaps my children will live in stone houses and walled towns - Not I"
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Subotai:""Honor is nothing without victory"
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[hshg]

Actually,the "scatter your enemies,rape their woman and make their loved ones weep" quote is also reportedly said to come from a dialogue between Great Khan and Kublai,his grandson-when genghis khan was dying,he asked his grandson what is the greatest joy according to him.When Kublai said that it is to "vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.”"",the great khan answered:"no,it's riding your horse on the steppe,with wind blowing through your hair and an eagle on your arm"

[hshg]

Japan:
"now it is always the case,no matter how wisely an emperor may reign or a regent may administer,derelicts and good-for-nothings will always go out of their way to utter covert slanders and criticisms.But there was no loose talk while Kiyomori was at the height of his power.And this was it"-the tale of heike about Taira no Kiyomori.
"all who do not belong to this clan must rank as less than men" Taira Tokitada,Kiymori's brother in law,according to the tale of Heike.