Okay, when that rule is enforced there must be some factors that must be considered, PW has given some, I'll add some too.
Originally Posted by PowerWizard
You can't change or correct the text after you submitted your stories via PM
The said author can still PM you again telling you to change it. Therefore I don't take this as much hassle. But some people are quite lazy to PM, including me. And I don't like to have a gaze at your profile first before sending PMs. (That's the way I usually do....) So, it's just simpler if you post all the stories in the final day. But then this comes :
Puts unnecessary workload on the contest manager (save and sort out PMs,
repost stories etc.)
Originally Posted by Musthavename
I really don't see that being nescessary. Has anyone accused another writer of copying their work/ideas before? They haven't, so it seems like a lot of hassle when there's nothing wrong with what we're doing now.
Of course, accusing people of copying is not allowed et al. Unless you want flamed and be flamed. And get some 3 pointer for insulting. (Although I must admit, I look at others before posting mine once...)
Originally Posted by Sunbird Alkibijad
I haven't thought of cheating tbh, doubt it's worth cheating on a pixel-pixel-pixel-...-pixel...internet competitions. It's rarely worth cheating in any area of life, this the least...
Who can tell you cheated or not, unless you are beside the guy who did it...
Second: Once the story is sent, the writer posts in the thread with the title of his story, and nothing else. Maybe adding "competitor".
Then the PM has no worth at all. After all, with that system, the nominations are supposed to be anonymous.
Third: I'm quite sure people do cast a glance at other folk's stories, and it results in them changing their story, or adapting it.
Now, if the stories are hidden away, there might be a lot of similar stories, and the ones with most originality would pull the favour of the readers.
Not quite, you had seen what happened usually. Depends on time, situation, luck and your ability.
I really don't see that being nescessary. Has anyone accused another writer of copying their work/ideas before? They haven't, so it seems like a lot of hassle when there's nothing wrong with what we're doing now.
Give a man a fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of the day.
Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Of course, accusing people of copying is not allowed et al. Unless you want flamed and be flamed. And get some 3 pointer for insulting.
Well, if anyone wants to come forward and say that someone might have copied them, let's hear it. Besides, it's not insulting, and if they really feel that way, they can PM molls or someone who can look into it. It's not like they have to blurt out "CHEAT COPIED ME" in the thread.
In my opinion, i'll stick with the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality. There's no reason to change how the stories are entered, so why do it?
Give a man a fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of the day.
Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Well, if anyone wants to come forward and say that someone might have copied them, let's hear it. Besides, it's not insulting, and if they really feel that way, they can PM molls or someone who can look into it. It's not like they have to blurt out "CHEAT COPIED ME" in the thread.
In my opinion, i'll stick with the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality. There's no reason to change how the stories are entered, so why do it?
But best you don't put some resistance when all things have turned against you, like this.
Aster You seem to not have read, or understood my idea. No anonymity intended. Main thing: All stories get the same attention. First time I read the ToTW, I read the first three stories, and didn't read the others, because they entered competition later on. Didn't even see them.
Catch my drift?
Then what? You wanted people to post their stories all in the final day? What happens when said people forgot it, afk, can't be online with school probs et cetera et cetera.
Then what? You wanted people to post their stories all in the final day? What happens when said people forgot it, afk, can't be online with school probs et cetera et cetera.
Again...u seem not to be reading...
The writers are given few days time to make their story and send the story to mollsomg. the period would be announced in advance, and say it's 2-day window for sending the story. Once the window closes, the stories are posted by mollsomg for the next 5 days and the voting is allowed during those 5 days.
OK, so what is the mechanism by which the voting system is decided?
The discussion on this thread seems to have been operating on the assumption that molls decided the voting rules, taking into account the weight of public opinion.
Having a "don't vote for yourself" rule is not unreasonable in itself, provided that someone with the power to change vote tallies is willing to police it.
I don't know if it is the best way to go, but trying it out would help to decide that.
about the multivotes
should everyone be forced to give 2 [whatever ammount is set] votes, or authors only?
due to recent events it came to my mind:
non-writers could vote for as much as they like [if multivote],
whereas authors ,whose stories are in the vote, have to follow the voting system.
[0-4 : 1vote // 4-7: 2votes // 7+ 3: 3 votes, old system]
Originally Posted by Sunbird Alkibijad
Good. Suggestion:
Prevent the authors from voting for themselves?
Originally Posted by mollsomg
well they are allowed to vote for themselves, denying that would be too harsh but they have to vote for another person at least in every scenario (more than 4 stories overall).
hm, but what the hell...
what do you guys say to sunbirds proposal?
It would definately make things easier lol.
Originally Posted by Sunbird Alkibijad
The reason I say this is simple: If you end up with just 1 vote, it will be the same as having none, since it was your vote.
And probably worse than having 0 votes..."OMG, that guy had to vote for himself not to have a zero..."
Originally Posted by mollsomg
Ha you know what? I've tested several systems, so I will give this one a go next week.
"Anybody vote for as much stories as they want, only rule: Authors are not allowed to vote for themselves."
Any objections? I guarantee that there will be sufficient voters!
We're just going to try it and see.
Originally Posted by Juvenal
OK
Originally Posted by Sunbird Alkibijad
HAHA!
I wins ...
nvm, ignore Sunbird Alkibijad, he's a nutcase, btw.
Originally Posted by Musthavename
I'm completely fine with it.
Though I would post a "recommended" number of votes to cast, depending on how many entries there are.
Originally Posted by Přntifex
Completely in favor of a system in which you cannot vote for yourself.
Originally Posted by Aster
No objections, I wish only for a fair rule..
Originally Posted by Juvenal
OK, so what is the mechanism by which the voting system is decided?
The discussion on this thread seems to have been operating on the assumption that molls decided the voting rules, taking into account the weight of public opinion.
Having a "don't vote for yourself" rule is not unreasonable in itself, provided that someone with the power to change vote tallies is willing to police it.
I don't know if it is the best way to go, but trying it out would help to decide that.
Well, it should be a honourary rule, an ethical maxim at the best. I never voted for myself, and I would encourage everyone not to vote for himself. But enforcing this rule is another thing. Ethics shouldn't be enforced, it's all up to you to follow it or not. For example "you should be polite to foreigners" is a moral convention, but you can't enact this convention into law, because it would be ridiculous.
This rule was tried to be enforced previously in ToTW, I opposed it then as well. Who you vote for is completely your business: how you evaluate the stories, which one you like and which one you didn't. If you think your story was the best, you can vote for yourself - why not? Maybe it's not too humble or not honourable, but why couldn't you do that?
BTW there is no such rule in PoTW, AAR Competitions or the Graphics Workshop competitions.
Originally Posted by Juvenal
OK, so what is the mechanism by which the voting system is decided?
The discussion on this thread seems to have been operating on the assumption that molls decided the voting rules, taking into account the weight of public opinion.
Public discussions and suggestions are fine, but the ToTW manager isn't bound by them. The ToTW manager is supervised by me, founder and ex-manager of this tournament, and manager of the AAR Competitions - into which ToTW is integrated (medals, points, rules etc.). I don't like to interfere with the flow of events here, only if I see it necessary. If I would have listened to every suggestion demanded by the contestants, the AAR competitions could be really messed up by now. You can call this authoritative, but not dictatorial.
Originally Posted by Juvenal
Having a "don't vote for yourself" rule is not unreasonable in itself, provided that someone with the power to change vote tallies is willing to police it.
See my reasons above.
Anyway, I have put back "Authors are encouraged not to vote for themselves" in the voting thread not to hurt anyone's feelings.
Last edited by Aldgarkalaughskel; March 03, 2009 at 01:49 PM.
Re: Voting System Discussion
Originally Posted by PowerWizard
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...is my daddy!
but they have to vote for another person at least in every scenario (more than 4 stories overall).
