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    OK I just want to know what would you guy's do next if you were me, it's not that I need advice but I'm not sure what I should do next.

    First off let me show you where my campaign is at.I’m playing Retrofit Mod and the Mongols have already arrived… Is it me or they arrive sooner in this Mod

    Here is my empire: Stockholm, Riga, Helsinski, Vilnius, Halych, Kiev, Smolensk, Norvogod, Moscow, Kevlar, Bulgar, Sarkel, and Caffa.

    Diplomacy : Allied with Hungary, Denmark, Bysantines and England

    The Mongols are at war with the Turks and Egypt so another campaign where I’playing Russia where the Mongols don’t come on my side still not yet.

    At War with Poland who is also at war with Hungray, Venice and the Danes.

    So the thing is I’am presently attacking Iasi (Castle) that belongs to Poland and another army is near Thorn that also belongs to Poland I will attack on the next turn. Hungary as taken Poland Capital in Krascow. 5 turns before this I was being attacked by Poland constatntly then Hungray and the Danes attacked them. So decide to make peace but in the same time I have asked them Halych and Kiev for Peace and trade right of my part they said yes……. But betrayed them, I never usually do that but I wanted to have fun as I expect that later on they will be back on my back so I tough one less Catholic faction would defiantly help me in the long run.

    So Poland is almost dead when that is done I will try to make them my vassals but if they don’t want to they get killed what should I do next????

    I'll be waiting for your comments

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    Poland are usually cool, get the Vassal thing and just go from there, but protect your borders from Mongols if you don't they'll probs come wipe the garrisons but if they back stab you then slaughter, just keep them downlow by making sure they don't any more cities.
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    Well you have boxed yourself in with the alliances so if you don't want to break any your only option is the HRE. If you want to you could go by sea and attack Scotland, if they are still there, and get ready for when you eventually need to wipe out England.

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    Rebel, do you find making alliances enhances gameplay? I never really do it because I know im going to betray them...would u reccommend it? It proably addds to realism right. hmm...I just dont think I can keep them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Baron View Post
    Rebel, do you find making alliances enhances gameplay? I never really do it because I know im going to betray them...would u reccommend it? It proably addds to realism right. hmm...I just dont think I can keep them!

    Yes I believe in them and the reason why I did alliances with catholic faction is because the last time I've played Russai after a couple of turns I got gangbanged by Poland, HRE, the Danes and Hungary at the same time.

    ON the same turn The danes were sieging Helsinsky,
    Poland Smolenks and Vilnius, HRE Riga and Hungary Halych.... So I didn't want this to happen to me again so tried something else...

    So anyone else would like to add their ideas??
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    Depends. Do u wanna expand ur borders or not? if yes then how much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voolma View Post
    Depends. Do u wanna expand ur borders or not? if yes then how much?
    Yes I want to expand but I'm not sure where as I don't have a lot of choices HRE are The turks but the problem with HRE he is allied to the Danes and Hungray
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    In hindsight you may find it better to approach taking Vinius and then Thorn as your highest priorities. Helsinki and most certainly Stockholm are distractions and can be taken after your priorities are in order. Riga can be had after Vilnius also. I tend to keep Vilnius and Ryazan as castles. Thorn is more iffy since it can be a big money maker but the Danes are likely to attack your holdings in the Baltic (Thorn as a castle make your responses easier.)

    In your current case -- I would not make Poland a vassel unless you hold the Polish castles. Vassals without castles are not a threat, but vassals without towns are very dangerous, IMO. The Polish castles are the key to supporting a campaign against Bran. Bran is the key to the entire Balkans assuming the Hungarians have done their job and buillt it up.

    As far as vassalage is concerned, I always wanted to sack Cracov and then trade it for Halych at the same time as getting a Polish vassal. I have never done this though. Usually the Poles have started to push west while Russia is at war. This almost insures terrible Polish relations with the HRE. It might also help keep Poland loyal as a vassal.

    Once Russian controls the Balkans including Constantinople -- the campagn is essentially won. Your only real decison is to where to expand to complete the settlement count and whether you wish to tacklle the Mongol after they have settled.

    In answer to your question on Mongol timing -- I do not know. I think the Retrofit Mod is simply taking the code from Kingdoms .exe and not introducing any new scripting. The only other change is the rebalancing of the units. I can easily be wrong though since I have not personally tried to dig into the code -- hear say is all that I have on this.
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    Thanks Viking, but I'm not sure that you have entirely understand. as I already have Vilnius, Riga and Stockhom and let me say that Stcoholm is my best city... But I will keep your idea's in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel6666 View Post
    Thanks Viking, but I'm not sure that you have entirely understand. as I already have Vilnius, Riga and Stockhom and let me say that Stcoholm is my best city... But I will keep your idea's in mind.

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    Maybe I was not clear. The post is two parts. First I mentioned what I would do to approach Russia -- forcus on Thorn. Then I addressed what I thought was your situation and my ideas on Polish vassalage.

    What was it that you were looking for as an answer or what is the question that I did not answer. It is probably me, so I will not take offense if you direct me to the error of my reading of your post.

    You are allied with Hungary. This may be a problem with my advice.
    I was advising to go after a consoladation of the Balkans under Russian domination since Constantinople is a piece of the campaign goals and also somewhat historical. What are you looking at for the final map of conquest?

    The alliances with Venice and Denmark are good for any future plans.

    Are you looking more to an advance against the HRE rather than the Balkans? If so, I would guess you are not planning on a Mongol campaign before completing victory conditions. I am saying this because I have my doubts that a campaign against the HRE will end before you conquor most of Europe. Btw -- who are the Allies to HRE? Who are allied with the Poles?

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    Perhaps toss some coins between your allies and break treaties with one of them (and after that take their lands) or u could build an army and kill the mongols and take the lands they had conquered before! (and if they haven't took anything just "divert" them to somebody else )

    ps: in vanilla i've seen the mongols come in turn 57 (quite early)

    what's your turn when they came?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking Prince View Post
    Maybe I was not clear. The post is two parts. First I mentioned what I would do to approach Russia -- forcus on Thorn. Then I addressed what I thought was your situation and my ideas on Polish vassalage.

    What was it that you were looking for as an answer or what is the question that I did not answer. It is probably me, so I will not take offense if you direct me to the error of my reading of your post.

    You are allied with Hungary. This may be a problem with my advice.
    I was advising to go after a consoladation of the Balkans under Russian domination since Constantinople is a piece of the campaign goals and also somewhat historical. What are you looking at for the final map of conquest?

    The alliances with Venice and Denmark are good for any future plans.

    Are you looking more to an advance against the HRE rather than the Balkans? If so, I would guess you are not planning on a Mongol campaign before completing victory conditions. I am saying this because I have my doubts that a campaign against the HRE will end before you conquor most of Europe. Btw -- who are the Allies to HRE? Who are allied with the Poles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pink Beard View Post
    Perhaps toss some coins between your allies and break treaties with one of them (and after that take their lands) or u could build an army and kill the mongols and take the lands they had conquered before! (and if they haven't took anything just "divert" them to somebody else )

    ps: in vanilla i've seen the mongols come in turn 57 (quite early)

    what's your turn when they came?
    I'am lpaying Retrofit Mod and they arrive earlier than in Vanilla... You see it's been atleast 10 turns that they have arrived but no gunpowder event yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking Prince View Post
    Maybe I was not clear. The post is two parts. First I mentioned what I would do to approach Russia -- forcus on Thorn. Then I addressed what I thought was your situation and my ideas on Polish vassalage.

    What was it that you were looking for as an answer or what is the question that I did not answer. It is probably me, so I will not take offense if you direct me to the error of my reading of your post.

    You are allied with Hungary. This may be a problem with my advice.
    I was advising to go after a consoladation of the Balkans under Russian domination since Constantinople is a piece of the campaign goals and also somewhat historical. What are you looking at for the final map of conquest?

    The alliances with Venice and Denmark are good for any future plans.

    Are you looking more to an advance against the HRE rather than the Balkans? If so, I would guess you are not planning on a Mongol campaign before completing victory conditions. I am saying this because I have my doubts that a campaign against the HRE will end before you conquor most of Europe. Btw -- who are the Allies to HRE? Who are allied with the Poles?

    Regards.
    No your advices were fine what I'am really looking for is how different players would play my campaign if it was theirs... I asked because I like to see how other players reacts to specific contraints like I have here in my campaign...

    What I'am looking to do is that after I kill off Poland I will probably go down to face the Mongols killing on my way the Turks ... But I know that other players would play it differently I just wanted to know as maybe I would have changed my mind on how I would play this part of my very interesting campaign
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel6666 View Post
    No your advices were fine what I'am really looking for is how different players would play my campaign if it was theirs... I asked because I like to see how other players reacts to specific contraints like I have here in my campaign...

    What I'am looking to do is that after I kill off Poland I will probably go down to face the Mongols killing on my way the Turks ... But I know that other players would play it differently I just wanted to know as maybe I would have changed my mind on how I would play this part of my very interesting campaign

    perhaps if u want to do something like this again it would be better if u posted a screenie or maybe 2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pink Beard View Post
    perhaps if u want to do something like this again it would be better if u posted a screenie or maybe 2

    Sorry I can't post screenies as I would have done an AAR or even two or three of them I only have internet at work for now but when I'll have it at home at sure will.. Tough I tought that I had explained it enough for regular players to see for themsleves but screenies could have helped
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    Going after the Mongols after Poland? How advanced of a castle do you have? This is one attraction the Bran (Hungary). Do you think your current unit roster has the units needed to tackle the Mongols? How will you respply and refit? Vilnius is quite aways from action with the Mongols. An interesting problem. Maybe I should look at this. btw -- what turn are you on?

    Edit -- I never seem to complete a campaign that makes any real use of gunpowder (some limited artie though) or the new world. Those features seem like chrome to me and not really central pieces of the game. Might be a factor in my thinking. I had the same feeling with Shogun. Hmmm. Another stab at an oldie this weekend -- maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking Prince View Post
    Going after the Mongols after Poland? How advanced of a castle do you have? This is one attraction the Bran (Hungary). Do you think your current unit roster has the units needed to tackle the Mongols? How will you respply and refit? Vilnius is quite aways from action with the Mongols. An interesting problem. Maybe I should look at this. btw -- what turn are you on?

    Edit -- I never seem to complete a campaign that makes any real use of gunpowder (some limited artie though) or the new world. Those features seem like chrome to me and not really central pieces of the game. Might be a factor in my thinking. I had the same feeling with Shogun. Hmmm. Another stab at an oldie this weekend -- maybe?

    Right now I can Recruit from Halych Dismounted Dvors and their good archers sorry I don't have their names... I have to think about this also but if some of you can give me some ideas this could help I just hope to have my cossack musketteers before facing the Mongols.... I'am attacking presently Iasi that is right besides Bran and Hungary won't screw me I think not but maybe so as now I'am the largest faction, strongest and I have the most moeny even the Mongols don't have the money that I have... Stockholm is quite surprising I captured it it didn't even had walls and now it make 3500 florins more than any other of my settlements
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel6666 View Post
    Right now I can Recruit from Halych Dismounted Dvors and their good archers sorry I don't have their names... I have to think about this also but if some of you can give me some ideas this could help I just hope to have my cossack musketteers before facing the Mongols.... I'am attacking presently Iasi that is right besides Bran and Hungary won't screw me I think not but maybe so as now I'am the largest faction, strongest and I have the most moeny even the Mongols don't have the money that I have... Stockholm is quite surprising I captured it it didn't even had walls and now it make 3500 florins more than any other of my settlements
    Stockholm is always amazing. If you can get it early and put in a good growth general -- it is well worth the effort. You can get some good results with Thorn also. No mines and such, but great trade (including Stockholm).

    Unless the Mongols come up at you -- I just find going after them is a bridge, pass, province too far. Sorry for the bad WWII movie pun. I do not like my units to come from a castle 10+ turns from the fight. The only way it even makes sense is if you are on a crusade. Too many resources devoted to upkeep for my liking. I like the military to be kept busy and not just marching on maneuvers.
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    honestly, concentrate on developing powerful economy, break your alliance with the Danes and go capture Scandinavia. then you have access cross the sea to pretty much entire western europe and their silly heavy-infantry concentrated armies which you will rape with your missile cavalry .

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    honestly, concentrate on developing powerful economy, break your alliance with the Danes and go capture Scandinavia. then you have access cross the sea to pretty much entire western europe and their silly heavy-infantry concentrated armies which you will rape with your missile cavalry .

    Nice idea my friend thanks
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