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    Martian Methane Reveals the Red Planet is not a Dead Planet

    Mars today is a world of cold and lonely deserts, apparently without life of any kind, at least on the surface. Worse still, it looks like Mars has been cold and dry for billions of years, with an atmosphere so thin, any liquid water on the surface quickly boils away while the sun's ultraviolet radiation scorches the ground.

    But there is evidence of a warmer and wetter past -- features resembling dry riverbeds and minerals that form in the presence of water indicate water once flowed through Martian sands. Since liquid water is required for all known forms of life, scientists wonder if life could have risen on Mars, and if it did, what became of it as the Martian climate changed.

    New research reveals there is hope for Mars yet. The first definitive detection of methane in the atmosphere of Mars indicates the planet is still alive, in either a biologic or geologic sense, according to a team of NASA and university scientists.

    "Methane is quickly destroyed in the Martian atmosphere in a variety of ways, so our discovery of substantial plumes of methane in the northern hemisphere of Mars in 2003 indicates some ongoing process is releasing the gas," said Dr. Michael Mumma of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "At northern mid-summer, methane is released at a rate comparable to that of the massive hydrocarbon seep at Coal Oil Point in Santa Barbara, Calif."

    artist concept of possible Mars methane source Scientists don't yet know enough to say with certainty what the source of the Martian methane is, but this artist's concept depicts a possibility. In this illustration, subsurface water, carbon dioxide and the planet's internal heat combine to release methane. Although we don’t have evidence on Mars of active volcanoes today, ancient methane trapped in ice "cages" might now be released. Credit: NASA/Susan Twardy
    > Larger image Methane -- four atoms of hydrogen bound to a carbon atom -- is the main component of natural gas on Earth. It's of interest to astrobiologists because organisms release much of Earth's methane as they digest nutrients. However, other purely geological processes, like oxidation of iron, also release methane. "Right now, we don’t have enough information to tell if biology or geology -- or both -- is producing the methane on Mars," said Mumma. "But it does tell us that the planet is still alive, at least in a geologic sense. It's as if Mars is challenging us, saying, hey, find out what this means." Mumma is lead author of a paper on this research appearing in Science Express Jan. 15.

    If microscopic Martian life is producing the methane, it likely resides far below the surface, where it's still warm enough for liquid water to exist. Liquid water, as well as energy sources and a supply of carbon, are necessary for all known forms of life.

    "On Earth, microorganisms thrive 2 to 3 kilometers (about 1.2 to 1.9 miles) beneath the Witwatersrand basin of South Africa, where natural radioactivity splits water molecules into molecular hydrogen (H2) and oxygen. The organisms use the hydrogen for energy. It might be possible for similar organisms to survive for billions of years below the permafrost layer on Mars, where water is liquid, radiation supplies energy, and carbon dioxide provides carbon," said Mumma.

    "Gases, like methane, accumulated in such underground zones might be released into the atmosphere if pores or fissures open during the warm seasons, connecting the deep zones to the atmosphere at crater walls or canyons," said Mumma.

    "Microbes that produced methane from hydrogen and carbon dioxide were one of the earliest forms of life on Earth," noted Dr. Carl Pilcher, Director of the NASA Astrobiology Institute which partially supported the research. "If life ever existed on Mars, it's reasonable to think that its metabolism might have involved making methane from Martian atmospheric carbon dioxide."

    However, it is possible a geologic process produced the Martian methane, either now or eons ago. On Earth, the conversion of iron oxide (rust) into the serpentine group of minerals creates methane, and on Mars this process could proceed using water, carbon dioxide, and the planet's internal heat. Although we don’t have evidence on Mars of active volcanoes today, ancient methane trapped in ice "cages" called clathrates might now be released.

    The team found methane in the atmosphere of Mars by carefully observing the planet over several Mars years (and all Martian seasons) with NASA's Infrared Telescope Facility, run by the University of Hawaii, and the W. M. Keck telescope, both at Mauna Kea, Hawaii.

    The team used spectrometer instruments attached to the telescopes to make the detection. Spectrometers spread light into its component colors, like a prism separates white light into a rainbow. The team looked for dark areas in specific places along the rainbow (light spectrum) where methane was absorbing sunlight reflected from the Martian surface. They found three such areas, called absorption lines, which together are a definitive signature of methane, according to the team. They were able to distinguish lines from Martian methane from the methane in Earth's atmosphere because the motion of the Red Planet shifted the position of the Martian lines, much as a speeding ambulance causes its siren to change pitch as it passes by.

    "We observed and mapped multiple plumes of methane on Mars, one of which released about 19,000 metric tons of methane," said Dr. Geronimo Villanueva of the Catholic University of America, Washington, D.C. Villanueva is stationed at NASA Goddard and is co-author of the paper. "The plumes were emitted during the warmer seasons -- spring and summer -- perhaps because the permafrost blocking cracks and fissures vaporized, allowing methane to seep into the Martian air. Curiously, some plumes had water vapor while others did not," said Villanueva.

    According to the team, the plumes were seen over areas that show evidence of ancient ground ice or flowing water. For example, plumes appeared over northern hemisphere regions such as east of Arabia Terra, the Nili Fossae region, and the south-east quadrant of Syrtis Major, an ancient volcano 1,200 kilometers (about 745 miles) across.

    It will take future missions, like NASA's Mars Science Laboratory, to discover the origin of the Martian methane. One way to tell if life is the source of the gas is by measuring isotope ratios. Isotopes are heavier versions of an element; for example, deuterium is a heavier version of hydrogen. In molecules that contain hydrogen, like water and methane, the rare deuterium occasionally replaces a hydrogen atom. Since life prefers to use the lighter isotopes, if the methane has less deuterium than the water released with it on Mars, it's a sign that life is producing the methane. The research was funded by NASA's Planetary Astronomy Program and the NASA Astrobiology Institute.
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    That is certainly an interesting find despite not being the little green men we had hoped for in the 50's

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    So...

    Mars is farting like an old corpse?
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    blah blah blah

    "we found some gas that could maybe possibly, you know, support life, and maybe there was life billions of years ago, and maybe there were river beds and gas trapped beneath the surface and tiny creatures beneath the surface that use the gas to for energy"

    Its all speculation. Interesting, and I'm not saying that they won't find life there, but this is nothing new, really. We already found evidence of water, which is a far bigger thing than methane. Yet we have no concrete evidence of life ever being on Mars.


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    i wonder if we would have to exterminate the microbes to colonise a majority of the planet


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    It's not so much about if we find "life" there, it's more about the possibility of Mars being able to sustain it. If we find concrete evidence of "life" on that rock, pre-historic or even present, then the chances of us being able to colonize it would raise significantly which is, Imo, the interesting part.

    About the "so"... Please tell me how many other of the +200 planets discovered so far are as 'promising' as Mars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holger Danske View Post
    It's not so much about if we find "life" there, it's more about the possibility of Mars being able to sustain it. If we find concrete evidence of "life" on that rock, pre-historic or even present, then the chances of us being able to colonize it would raise significantly which is, Imo, the interesting part.

    About the "so"... Please tell me how many other of the +200 planets discovered so far are as 'promising' as Mars?
    None, so far.

    There is a damn good chance at humans colonizing Mars. In fact, if we really focused on it, it could be done probably within 50 years.

    All that needs to be done is to instigate the greenhouse effect on Mars to heat it up sufficiently so liquid water and humans can live on the surface, and then we can start a massive planting program to start a vegetative cycle.

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    Aw man, I was expecting some scientific breakthrough discovery, like colonies of bacteria on rocks or something. Anything could be causing methane, though I'm hoping it's microscopic life forms.


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    Quote Originally Posted by D.B. Cooper View Post
    Aw man, I was expecting some scientific breakthrough discovery, like colonies of bacteria on rocks or something. Anything could be causing methane, though I'm hoping it's microscopic life forms.
    You know that could be likely, but they need a robot up there to dig in the ground and establish if the methane really comes from bacteria or just volcanic activity - the latter was said to be unlikely, which is only promising!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuineaPig View Post
    None, so far.

    There is a damn good chance at humans colonizing Mars. In fact, if we really focused on it, it could be done probably within 50 years.

    All that needs to be done is to instigate the greenhouse effect on Mars to heat it up sufficiently so liquid water and humans can live on the surface, and then we can start a massive planting program to start a vegetative cycle.
    It's unlikely that there will be anything more than temporary science missions. Mars doesn't have a magnetosphere so it's bombarded by lethal doses of radiation from the sun. Plants, at least Earth plants, wouldn't be able to survive unprotected. Also, because of this Mars can't hold a thick atmosphere. If you try to add to the thin atmosphere, the solar wind will just blow it away again.

    Also, Mars being quite small in comparison to the Earth has considerably weaker gravity. This will cause problems with long term habitation as it will lead to muscle and bone loss. There really aren't any planets in the solar system that would easily lend themselves to human habitation.
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    It's hardly 'life' as we would hope to find... - sure maybe in 100,000 years life could evolve there, but we'll all be dust then - and probably already living on Mars

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    Clearly this is the work of subterranean mutated Martian cows. Seriously wouldnt say its evidence of life but yet one more reason we need to keep exploring mars until we know for sure. What I worry bout is somehow all our messing on mars is going to prevent whatever is occuring naturally on mars. I mean who is to say millions of years ago some race on Venus wasnt doing on earth what we are doing on mars. Be pretty ironic, millions of years from now some martian race is going to develop find Spirit and Opportunity and base a religion on them and go to war.

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    Actually only two things can cause methane, volcanoes, and life. Incidentally, there are no active volcanoes on mars. Very interesting. Colonisation is a distant fantasy which i have no interest in, it is the biological stuff which interests me. Of course it could just be seismic activity rupturing through to the planet's mantle, which would produce the same effect as a volcano, so i won't get my hopes up.
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    Clear proof that NASA is intent on selling the idea of continued and increased funding. Whether this is really a new piece to the puzzle is clearly no despite the 1.15.09 release date to the article. Good luck to the scientists and NASA at getting the funding. PR is always a good sign of life even if methane as a story is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking Prince View Post
    Clear proof that NASA is intent on selling the idea of continued and increased funding. Whether this is really a new piece to the puzzle is clearly no despite the 1.15.09 release date to the article. Good luck to the scientists and NASA at getting the funding. PR is always a good sign of life even if methane as a story is not.
    Well of course its also a bit of PR, NASA and pretty much any space agency are in an situation where they have to justify millions upon millions being spent often without any tangible result they can show the less scientific inclined politician and people. Hell its why the make all the noise over those amazing panaramonic shots from rovers but more often then not that b/w zoomed in photo of a rock is of much more interest to scientists.

    I mean how do you convince people that sending up a probe to catch particles with a special "net" and then coming back to earth is worthwhile when 99% of the population will go "you spent 200 million to collect space dust? whats wrong with good old fashion earth dust!". To me figuring out WHY methane is on mars is worth it, even if it is underground volcanic activity, atleast we'd know for sure but its alot easier to sell the funding for it by focusing on the other possibility of some low level forms of life.
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    They found my ancestors!

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    NASA has hardly found evidence of life in any particular. Even the meteorite claim was debunked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valiant Champion View Post
    NASA has hardly found evidence of life in any particular. Even the meteorite claim was debunked.
    We should make sure we have found evidence of (intelligent) life on this planet first.

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    Methane on Mars? Who left their cows out?!

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    Is it a coincidence that the Methane plumes were spotted in a polar region and that these images were taken from a Polar region?

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