That's it? Oh mighty Khan?

[Muagan_ra]

Just encountered the Mongols for the first time, and I'm pretty underwhelmed. I prepared for it, lots and lots of Genoese Crossbowmen to mow down their horse archers, a small contingent of Dismounted Knights incase of melee, and a wing of Knights for my General to lead. I was expecting an almighty slaughter, some epic battle of wits and tactical finesse.

In the event, I was able to charge my cavalry into their massed infantry as they where redeploying, and they swiftly wet themselves and ran. Even their general and heavy lancers routed after 5 seconds of combat. I killed over 2000 of them with only 41 casualties.

I realise it may have been a stroke of good luck that they happened to be redeploying (possibly because of the sandstorm), and God knows I'll be eating my words by dinner-time, but I found them surprisingly weak. The Sicilians gave a better fight than that.

In any case, if in doubt, do a massive cavalry charge. It always works.

[Reynolds]

Indeed well played, but you may be eating your words soon enough........

[Kinshejsi]

It depends in what state you face the mongols...
If you're late in the campaign they're probably weakened and have less high experienced troops but early in the campaign (when they just arrive) and you control the east, get ready to give up some land bc they are unstoppabible.

[Pink Beard]

it also depends on your game settings... on easy mode everyone is just a big push-over...

[Yojimbo]

It depends in what state you face the mongols...
If you're late in the campaign they're probably weakened and have less high experienced troops but early in the campaign (when they just arrive) and control the east, get ready to give up some land bc they are unstoppabible.

indeed they have have insane numbers and experience. Also hope you have a good pc because you'll need it in sieges with them.

and no they don't horde they just cease to be. target their generals to kill off their family without having to crush all their troops. try not to be warring with other factions at the time either because the last thing you want is a war with the mongols and other factions.

[kkaana]

First do not expand through near east, the Mongols ll capture Antioch and jerusalem sooner or later. After some time Timurids ll arrive that territory. Let the Mongols and the Timurids weaken each other, then smash that weakened bastards.

[Muagan_ra]

First do not expand through near east, the Mongols ll capture Antioch and jerusalem sooner or later. After some time Timurids ll arrive that territory. Let the Mongols and the Timurids weaken each other, then smash that weakened bastards.

Unfortunately, I'm already at Jerusalem (and Acre and Gaza - Crusade and all that...) and to be honest I'm not keen on letting go of them. With two fortressess and a large city I think I can manage to keep churning out troops if and when I need to - and once I take Antioch, turtle a bit, I should be able to wear them out.

It all reminds of my Barbarian hunting techniques in Barbarian Invasion - headhunting their generals. Maybe I should try that.

[Reynolds]

Yeah you should be able to break them at Antioch quite easily if they dont bring seige weapons

Just make sure to always have a full stack garrison in Antioch at ALL times and have a stack nearby to replace losses as the mongols sometimes attack 3-4 times in one turn with a full stack each time

But its do-able, and Milan are well equipped to taking them on. When defending a seige if you have a decent amount of Genoese Crossbowmen on the walls i guarantee no mongol infantry will get through and just spam full armoured spear militia behind the gates. I THINK Milan have a dismounted foot knight (Broken Lance maybe) so a few of these will be handy to add some clout to your pear militias.

All of the above applies to bridge battles aswell

Gd Luck

Edit: YES, hunting down their generals is an excellent idea, either use assassins or full-stacks of heavy cavalry and just merk the bugger with a 20 unit charge

[Alla]

First do not expand through near east, the Mongols ll capture Antioch and jerusalem sooner or later. After some time Timurids ll arrive that territory. Let the Mongols and the Timurids weaken each other, then smash that weakened bastards.

Love the way Portugal and Scotland owned their rivals!

[Muagan_ra]

Fortunately, their horde is split in two - three armies has taken Antioch (soon to be mine), one of which I've just decimated and their are two more isolated onces wandering around. The other three are still near Bagdhad for whatever reason.

Should make them more manageable.

BTW: A question. If you conquer their last city, do they become a 'Hoard' again, like their ilk in Barbarian Invasion?

It depends in what state you face the mongols...
If you're late in the campaign they're probably weakened and have less high experienced troops but early in the campaign (when they just arrive) and control the east, get ready to give up some land bc they are unstoppabible.

But that's the best thing, it's quite early. I havn't even got gunpowder yet, just a massively talented and high chivalry Commander. Should work to counter-act the 'dread' of their generals.

[Silent Assassin]

Remember that theres 3 waves of them and in each wave atleats 4 - 5 full stacks

[Pink Beard]

Remember that theres 3 waves of them and in each wave atleats 4 - 5 full stacks

i'm not sure but i do know that's incorrect. i almost always have fog of war off so i can see everything. the mongols come like this: first 1 1/2 stack (scouts i reckon). then another 5 stacks and then another 5. totalling up around 12 stacks of mongols. ofcourse they can switch units in wich case they do not have a "full" stack with 20 units in it, but 15 units (the game banner sees that as a full banner) and they have more than 12 "stacks" (not full full stacks, but full stacks...)



ehh... did anybody got that? :hmmm:

[Reynolds]

"i'm not sure but i do know that's incorrect. i almost always have fog of war off so i can see everything. the mongols come like this: first 1 1/2 stack (scouts i reckon). then another 5 stacks and then another 5. totalling up around 12 stacks of mongols. ofcourse they can switch units in wich case they do not have a "full" stack with 20 units in it, but 15 units (the game banner sees that as a full banner) and they have more than 12 "stacks" (not full full stacks, but full stacks...)"

Lol basically what Reb said, 3 waves o' the stabby bastards

btw it's definitely 3 waves and i agree they are strongest when they first arrive, after they settle they seem to explode (in terms of expansion, l.o.l) and then they just begin to deteriorate

[Pink Beard]

"i'm not sure but i do know that's incorrect. i almost always have fog of war off so i can see everything. the mongols come like this: first 1 1/2 stack (scouts i reckon). then another 5 stacks and then another 5. totalling up around 12 stacks of mongols. ofcourse they can switch units in wich case they do not have a "full" stack with 20 units in it, but 15 units (the game banner sees that as a full banner) and they have more than 12 "stacks" (not full full stacks, but full stacks...)"

Lol basically what Reb said, 3 waves o' the stabby bastards

btw it's definitely 3 waves and i agree they are strongest when they first arrive, after they settle they seem to explode (in terms of expansion, l.o.l) and then they just begin to deteriorate

well if u count right i said 3 waves to... 1 1/2. then 5 and then 5. that's 3 waves right?

[Reynolds]

I was simply pointing out that you said "i know this is incorrect" when qouting Rebel, who said roughly "3 waves and 4/5 stacks" and then proceeded to argue that there are actually 3 waves

It was pretty much half sarcastic anyway so no hard feelings




(an example of a "no hard feelings" moment)

[D.B. Cooper]

What difficulty are you playing as?

[eggthief]

:hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm::hmmm:

Hooray! Rebel is becoming mean, either way the Mongols shouldn't be a pushover, state your difficulty and their army compositions as they usually decimate you with their heavy cav.

[Pink Beard]

Hooray! Rebel is becoming mean, either way the Mongols shouldn't be a pushover, state your difficulty and their army compositions as they usually decimate you with their heavy cav.

oh god nooo!!!!! NOOO!!!! don't turn to the dark side rebel6666!!! NOESSSS!!! the cookies are a lie!!

[The Noble Lord]

Remember that theres 3 waves of them and in each wave atleats 4 - 5 full stacks

That's right, and don't ever underestimate the Mongols.

[Owain Glyndŵr]

Oh, I can see that. I just keep Antioch well-stocked with pikes, heavy infantry, and crossbowmen. Mortars are excellent if you can get your hands on them, as well(I added them to the HRE roster; they historically were used all over Europe). I'll let them keep attacking that, attempt to draw away another stack or two with mercenary horse archer or mounted crossbow stacks, then hammer whatever cities they have with masses of the best heavy infantry I can get my hands on. If I'm lucky, I'll be able to storm their cities with my brutal Zweihander and avoid direct field confrontations between their horse archers and my infantry.