The Democratic Party

[Lord Thesaurian]

How many other people think that the Democratic Party has become more and more Socialist, Neo-Communist, and generally anti-American ever since the Vietnam War? Has not the left taken control of the media (and now the government) and used it to promote its agendas (and, conveniently, America's enemies)? Has it not taken every opportunity to slander and undermine America and turn her citizens against her? What's ur opinion?

[OccamR]

Erm, I highly doubt it. It's actually become more centrist in response to the growing power of the conservative right, in order to cater to a broader audience. I really doubt the liberal elites are hiding in a dark office somewhere figuring out ways to promote terrorism.

Also, NEWS FLASH, not everything said on Fox News about the liberal media is correct.

[Icefrisco]

Its clearly become more moderate. Just look at the rising leaders: Ted Strickland, Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton, Jim Webb, ect. They have all been elected in the past 10 years and are all pretty moderate. The Democratic party has pursued a moderate agenda because its leaders noticed that the Republican's extremist agenda in the 90's got them into office but they lost all power 12 years later.

[Zephyrus]

How many other people think that the Democratic Party has become more and more Socialist, Neo-Communist, and generally anti-American ever since the Vietnam War? Has not the left taken control of the media (and now the government) and used it to promote its agendas (and, conveniently, America's enemies)? Has it not taken every opportunity to slander and undermine America and turn her citizens against her? What's ur opinion?

I guess your against universal healthcare, women's right to choose, equal and free education and opportunities for all, regardless of race or sex, because those are all neo-communist propaganda designed to weaken the tried and trusted capitalist approach of "everybody for themselves, competition without boundaries is excellent, and less governing, more intuitive thinking".

If you really hate Democrats that much and consider them the liberals, then you have some issues. Issues that a year's supply of Prozac simply would not be enough to cure.

[seal]

I guess your against universal healthcare, women's right to choose, equal and free education and opportunities for all, regardless of race or sex, because those are all neo-communist propaganda designed to weaken the tried and trusted capitalist approach of "everybody for themselves, competition without boundaries is excellent, and less governing, more intuitive thinking".

You say that, sir, as if that's a slight :hmmm: What's wrong with an approach to government that focuses on individual liberties and responsibilities, instead of sucking the teet of socialist programs? When a government needs its citizens less than citizens needing their government, you have a recipe for invasive bureaucrats that will want to "educate" their people against their will.

I wouldn't call the American Democratic Party "neo-communists," but I do believe they will introduce an even bigger government than what supposedly "small federal government" party of the Republicans. However, at least the Democrats will not be betraying their ideology, like the Republicans did for the last eight years. Apparently, the American people want a step towards socialism...<shrugs>...democracy is a sometimes.

[Lord Thesaurian]

You say that, sir, as if that's a slight :hmmm: What's wrong with an approach to government that focuses on individual liberties and responsibilities, instead of sucking the teet of socialist programs? When a government needs its citizens less than citizens needing their government, you have a recipe for invasive bureaucrats that will want to "educate" their people against their will.

I wouldn't call the American Democratic Party "neo-communists," but I do believe they will introduce an even bigger government than what supposedly "small federal government" party of the Republicans. However, at least the Democrats will not be betraying their ideology, like the Republicans did for the last eight years. Apparently, the American people want a step towards socialism...<shrugs>...democracy is a sometimes.

Thats a major problem w/ America and it has been for years. Ever since people started calling America a "Democracy," weve had to deal with the effects politicians babbling about democracy in what began as a democratic republic. So, over the course of the 20th and early 21st centuries, America has been turned into a sort of Social Democracy by the people who tried to "democracize" a republican nation. Yes, democracy is a , and now America will be forced to reap what generations of her stupid politicians sowed. i mean, look at all the problems democracy's inventors, the greeks, had with it! And now people want to modernize this hairbrained excuse for a system of government (which is run by the mob and is therefore a form of anarchy) and institute it in what has until rather recently been the greatest republic ever seen?....

[seal]

Thats a major problem w/ America and it has been for years. Ever since people started calling America a "Democracy," weve had to deal with the effects politicians babbling about democracy in what began as a democratic republic. So, over the course of the 20th and early 21st centuries, America has been turned into a sort of Social Democracy by the people who tried to "democracize" a republican nation. Yes, democracy is a , and now America will be forced to reap what generations of her stupid politicians sowed. i mean, look at all the problems democracy's inventors, the greeks, had with it! And now people want to modernize this hairbrained excuse for a system of government (which is run by the mob and is therefore a form of anarchy) and institute it in what has until rather recently been the greatest republic ever seen?....

You misunderstand me. I'm a huge fan of democracy. However, what I love is a more Jeffersonian version of the system, in which the real tangiable power is with the people, and political authority resting primarily with local government. Strictly speaking, I'm a Constitutionalist. With respect to that, US citizens should recall Article 10: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"

Does it matter? Europe is socialist and a very nice place to live.

I would throw that back at you. Does it matter? You're talking about Europe. I lived there for several year, and enjoyed myself immensely (so much so that I ended up marrying a European). But Europeans (and I realize I'm opening myself up to a lot of hate) lack what Emerson called the American virtue "rugged individualism." Socialism works in Europe, but it is diametrically opposed to the deep-seated notion of Americans. However, to be fair, that is starting to wane.

The republican party has done more in the last decade to make americans ashamed of their country than anyone in the Democrat party could have if they were trying.

I'll take that one step further. The Republican Party has done more in the last decade to undermine American conservative values than anyone in the Democratic Party could have. And in that, is where the betrayal lies.

Yup and I dont approve. They are always trying to gain power for the people. People like Clinton.

What I don't approve is how Democrats market themselves to the people. They enjoy to portray themselves as the stalwart defenders of the average American worker, yet the vast majority are in the top two percent of the socio-economic demographic. Hilary Clinton understanding what it's like to be layed off??!!?? Please.

Name three things that the Democrat party has done that turns citizens against America. Hint: The republican party isn't America.

Off the top of my head, I can really only think of one thing: Roosevelt's New Deal. That created citizens who went to the government with their hats in their hands begging for scraps. There is truly nothing more un-American than that. When times are tough, I don't doubt the necessity of panhandling. However the intended targets should local charities and businesses. And yes, I'm unabashedly a free-market captialist. Would you prefer citizens to be obligated to their communities, or to some central government a thousand miles away?

[Watchman]

The citizens are obligated to the central governement any number of miles away in any case. Laws, taxes, all kinds of infrastructure... I fail to see how being offered a helping hand in bad times is somehow different.

Also, you Americans and your narcissistic fantasies of "rugged individualism"...

Anyway, as regards the OP ? Tin Hatz for everybody. As usual in the case of the American Right, there's a complete and utter lack of perspective and understanding as to what concepts like "political Left", "Socialism" and whatever - nevermind now their 'extreme' forms - even are in the first place. The US doesn't even have a meaningful Left in the politics; by the standards of just about everyone else (say, who actually have real Leftist parties) the Dems are Centre-Right at best...

[Lord Thesaurian]

You misunderstand me. I'm a huge fan of democracy. However, what I love is a more Jeffersonian version of the system, in which the real tangiable power is with the people, and political authority resting primarily with local government. Strictly speaking, I'm a Constitutionalist. With respect to that, US citizens should recall Article 10: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"



I would throw that back at you. Does it matter? You're talking about Europe. I lived there for several year, and enjoyed myself immensely (so much so that I ended up marrying a European). But Europeans (and I realize I'm opening myself up to a lot of hate) lack what Emerson called the American virtue "rugged individualism." Socialism works in Europe, but it is diametrically opposed to the deep-seated notion of Americans. However, to be fair, that is starting to wane.



I'll take that one step further. The Republican Party has done more in the last decade to undermine American conservative values than anyone in the Democratic Party could have. And in that, is where the betrayal lies.



What I don't approve is how Democrats market themselves to the people. They enjoy to portray themselves as the stalwart defenders of the average American worker, yet the vast majority are in the top two percent of the socio-economic demographic. Hilary Clinton understanding what it's like to be layed off??!!?? Please.



Off the top of my head, I can really only think of one thing: Roosevelt's New Deal. That created citizens who went to the government with their hats in their hands begging for scraps. There is truly nothing more un-American than that. When times are tough, I don't doubt the necessity of panhandling. However the intended targets should local charities and businesses. And yes, I'm unabashedly a free-market captialist. Would you prefer citizens to be obligated to their communities, or to some central government a thousand miles away?

i wasnt clear, apparently.. i was actually agreeing with u i was just making sure u knew that we r not a democracy (at least we're not supposed 2 b) but that we were founded as a democratic republic. just 1 of my pet peeves im a jeffersonian myself. one of my fav people

[Captain Blackadder]

The democrats as a leftist extremist party you have got to be kidding me at best it is mildly left but in reality it is centrist.

[BNS]

Wow there buddy and take this from someone pretty far in the right. The democrats are not leftist extremist, in fact judging them from a worldly perspective they are more of a moderate right political party. Nor are they anti-American just because their vision of a better America may differ from you. For the most part...

[CtrlAltDe1337]

Wow there buddy and take this from someone pretty far in the right. The democrats are not leftist extremist, in fact judging them from a worldly perspective they are more of a moderate right political party. Nor are they anti-American just because their vision of a better America may differ from you. For the most part...

Most democrats are hardly "rightwing." What I see as the problem is the new "progressive" movement which is quite leftist, and the more moderate, almost-centrist democrats. Then you have a minority of "conservative" democrats, but they don't really count.

The dems are not even marxists.

Some were instructed by marxists once upon a time

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[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

Tinfoil hats time?

[Zephyrus]

Tinfoil hats time?

You're buying mine this time!

[Exarch]

How many other people think that the Democratic Party has become more and more Socialist, Neo-Communist, and generally anti-American ever since the Vietnam War? Has not the left taken control of the media (and now the government) and used it to promote its agendas (and, conveniently, America's enemies)? Has it not taken every opportunity to slander and undermine America and turn her citizens against her? What's ur opinion?

first define 'unAmerican'
cuz it seems its jsut a slur used to sling mud at ppl u dont agree with

[Lord Consul]

The Democrats have become leftist extremists?! I'm afraid, sir, you do not know what exactly a leftist extremist is.

The dems are not even marxists.

[Last Roman]

How many other people think that the Democratic Party has become more and more Socialist, Neo-Communist, and generally anti-American ever since the Vietnam War? Has not the left taken control of the media (and now the government) and used it to promote its agendas (and, conveniently, America's enemies)? Has it not taken every opportunity to slander and undermine America and turn her citizens against her? What's ur opinion?

and how many here think that this is total spouted by ultra-right wingers who can't come up with a real argument?

[Zephyrus]

and how many here think that this is total spouted by ultra-right wingers who can't come up with a real argument?

ME!

[Panzerbear]

aargh... I hate ing liberals. they disgust me to the very core.

[RVFVS]

Yup and I dont approve. They are always trying to gain power for the people. People like Clinton.