[Faction Discussion] Kingdom of Champa

[Augustus Lucifer]

Kingdom of Champa

This thread can be used for non-team members to discuss the Kingdom of Champa faction. Research, ideas, and imagery for the team to use in our development of the faction are appreciated. This post will contain more information about this faction and their inclusion within the mod in the future.

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AUH Team

[moivao]

Champa is now a part of vietnam but at that time it's a seperate nation with name Vijaya,it's very difficult to search about it's history,weapon.You can refer to some site i lookup: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cham_people , http://www.video4viet.com/watchvideo...Southeast+Asia , http://www.muinebeach.net/chamhistory.htm

[moivao]

site about weapon of Champa kingdom: http://www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=908
history and king: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champa
hope can help you

[seaboy]

base on our research now i give you Mod some information we can find about Champapura(Champa: Flower, Pura: nation; now we call Champa). unfortunately we have very lack of history evidence so maybe i do somthing wrong, but better i show some information for you, and you can have a little idea about this Faction, they Also Against Mongol 1 times and win.

First is the Leader:
Leader of champa:
1145-1167 Faction leader: Jaya Harivarman I , Special Skill: War Elephant, Trading.
Faction Heir: Jaya Harivarman IV.

1167- 1192: Faction leader :Jaya Harivarman IV . Special Skill: Trading, Diplomat.
Faction heir: Jaya Paramecvaravarman II .
Faction Heir: Rasupati :special Skill: General Army
1192-1226: Faction leader :Jaya Indravarmadeva. under control of Khmer Empire
1226-1238: Faction leader :Jaya Paramecvaravarman II , special skill : politic, economy.
Faction Heir: Jaya Indravarman VI.
1238-1257: Faction leader: Jaya Indravarman VI . special skill: Ambush Static, and Expansion.


and map of their Province:

[anhquang]

About Cham and Khmer army, this link is useful. There is Thai Auxiliaries also:
http://angkorblog.com/_wsn/page10.html

Hope this help.

[seaboy]

and this is the map of Resource and Product of Champa.

[seaboy]

image of Peasant Soldier

[Matsu]

image of Peasant Soldier

This is an illustration of Tay Son soldier in 17th century, not Cham Soldier

[seaboy]

as my research Result, i found that champa army has around 40k soldiers and they are the royal Soldiers, but the best part of the champa is Navy, many researchers consider champa is like Viking in Asia, they are the good Pirates here in asia.

and also they have a big quantity of Elephant and Siege Weapon on the Back of Elephant.
they also has Archer, Crossbowman, Javelin
their infantry usually uses long Sword (it is the combine between Stick around 0.7m with Falchion around 0.7m, and they have the weapon aroung 1.4m)
they also uses Halbardier .

their Amour is not too much , they have Wooden Shield, no shoes, the helmet look like the Helmet of Shiva or Brahma or Vishnu statue usually have. their Amour is simple normal clothes, some kind of army even has no shirt only has wearing in lower part. and some has the Rhinos Hide Amour (small quantity, just used for the royal Guard to protect the king (Jaya))

and their have 2 feudal lord, is Kau Clan living in Kauthara, and Pandur Clan living in Panduranga, the king will be elected by Great Assembly. and the king was chosen must be the one of Kau Clan or Pandur Clan.

[Kinay]

Some information about the use of the siege crossbow, the double-bow arcuballista, by the Cham:

“It was when in A.D. 1171 according to Chinese records, Ji Yangzhun was sent from Song dynasty China to Champa to teach the Chams in the use of the multibow siege crossbow. Not long after this date, double-bow arcuballistas appeared in 13th century A.D. Khmer bas relief sculptures on the walls of Bayon (Angkor Thom) and at Banteay Chmar. The Khmer, enemies of the Cham, very possibly adopted the technology from the Chams in their many wars for supremacy over the Indochina region. Siege crossbows were probably used by both the Khmers and the Chams in their wars with each other.”

The double-bow arcuballista:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Source: http://www.grandhistorian.com/chinesesiegewarfare

[moivao]

=> history of Champa kingdom,original document: http://hainnguyen.blogspot.com/2008/...ng-nam-lc.html

"Champa, or Lin-yi in Chinese records, was the Sanskrit name of a kingdom in Southeast Asia, contemporaneous with Funan. Early Chinese records refer to the rebellion in A.D. 192 of a local official, Kiu-lien, who overthrew the Chinese authority and established the independent kingdom of Lin-yi near the present city of Hue. Champa included the present provinces of Quang Nam, Quang Tin, Binh Dinh, Nha Trang, Phan Rang, and Binh Tuan. The history of the relationship between China and Champa was one of alternating hostility and subservience on Champa's part. With the reconsolidation of China under the Tsin dynasty, Champa sent the first embassy to the Chinese emperor's court in A.D. 284. But whenever the Chinese authority in Tongking Slackened, the Chams seized the opportunity and raided the northern province.
Champa came under Indian influence later than Funan, around the middle of the fourth century A.D., when Champa absorbed the Funanese province of Panduranga (modern Phan Rang). Tall towers of kilned brick in Phan Rang, Nha Trang, Qui Nhon, Quang Tri, and Da Nang are surviving vestiges of the once-powerful Cham kingdom. Champa's expansion southward in the areas previously controlled by Funan may have introduced the Chams to Indian culture, which they embraced enthusiastically. The kings of Champa assumed the Pallava style, their names ending with -varman, as in Bhadravarman, who built the first temple of the Hindu god Shiva. The famous Cham archaeological sites of Tra Kieu, Mison, and Dong Duong in the Quang Nam province indicate profound Pallava impact of the Amravati school of art. The Chams withstood for more than a thousand years the political and cultural pressures of China and Vietnam.
Despite the fact that the kingdom was divided into several units separated from each other by mountains, the Chams rallied dozens of times in defense of freedom against attacks by the Chinese, the Vietnamese, the Khmers, and later the Mongols. In such conflicts Champa's mountainous terrain and easy access to the sea provided considerable scope for military maneuvers. The Chams at last suffered a severe defeat at the hands of the Vietnamese in 1471, which restricted them to the small area south of Cap Varella around Nha Trang. More than 60,000 Chams were killed and about half that number carried into captivity. The remnant state lingered until 1720, when it was finally absorbed by the Vietnamese, the last Cham king and a large number of his subjects fleeing into Cambodia.
The Cham society was and is matriarchal, with daughters having the right of inheritance. Following the Hindu tradition, Chams cremated their dead, collected the ashes in an urn, and cast them into the waters. Their way of life resembled that of the Funanese. Men and women wrapped a length of cloth around their waists and mostly went barefoot. Their weapons included bows, arrows, sabers, lances, and crossbows of bamboo. Their musical instruments included the flute, drums, conches, and stringed instruments. Today about 40,000 South Vietnamese and about 85,000 Cambodians claim Chain ancestry."

[moivao]

Source: http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Champa/id/442717

Champa - The dynasties of Champa

Dynasty I

• 192- ? Sri Mara
• ?
• ?
• circa 270 Fan Hiong
• circa 284-336 Fan Yi

Dynasty II

• 336-349 Fan Wen
• 349- ? Fan Fo
• circa 377 Bhadravarman I
• ? Gangaraja
• ? Manorathavarman
• d circa 420 Wen Ti

Dynasty III

• circa 420-Fan
• ? Fan
• ? Fan
• ? Fan
• ? Fan
• ? Fan
• ? Fan
• circa 510 Devavarman
• circa 526/9 Vijayavarman

Dynasty IV

• circa 529 ? Rudravarman I
• circa 605 Sambuvarman
• circa 629 ? Kanharpadharma
• ? -645 Bhasadharma
• 645- ? Bhadresvaravarman
• (d. 653 ? (f)
• 653- ? Vikrantavarman I
• circa 685-c. 730 Vikrantavarman II
• circa 749/58 Rudravarman II

Dynasty of Panduranga

• circa 757 : Prithivîndravarman
• circa 774 : Satyavarman
• circa 793 : Indravarman
• circa 801 : Harivarman
• circa 820-860 : Vikrantavarman III

Dynasty of Bhrigu

• circa 877 : Indravarman II
• circa 896-905 : Jayasimhavarman
• 905-910 : Bhadravarman II
• 911-vers 971 : Indravarman III
• 989- ? : Vijaya Shrî Harivarman II
• circa 989 : Yanpuku Vijaya Shrî

Dynasty of the South

• 1041-1059 : Jayasimhavarman II
• 1059-1060 ? : Bhadravarman III
• circa 1060 : Rudravarman
• circa 1081 : Jaya Indravarman IV
• ? -1086 : Paramabodhisattva
• 1086-1139 : Jaya Indravarman V
• 1139-1147 : Jaya Indravarman VI
• 1147-1163 : Jaya Harivarman VI
• 1163- ? : Jaya Indravarman VII
• ? - 1190 : Jaya Indravarman VIII
• 1226- ? : Jaya Parameshvaravarman IV
• ? - 1237 : Jaya Indravarman X
• 1266- ? : Indravarman IX
• ? - 1307 : Jayasimhavarman IV
• 1307- ? : Mahendravarman
• 1342-1360 : Bo-dê
• 1360-1390 : Che Bong-nga
• 1441-1446 : Bichai

• 1627 – 1651 Po Rome
• 1652 - 1660 Po Niga
• 1660 – 1692 Po Saut

Dynasty of Po Saktiraidaputih, vassal Cham rulers under the Nguyen Lords

• 1695 - 1728 Po Saktiraidaputih
• 1728 - 1730 Po Ganvuhdaputih
• 1731 - 1732 Po Thuttirai
• 1732 - 1735 vacant
• 1735 - 1763 Po Rattirai
• 1763 - 1765 Po Tathundamohrai
• 1765 - 1780 Po Tithuntiraidapaguh
• 1780 - 1781 Po Tithuntiraidaparang
• 1781 - 1783 vacant
• 1783 - 1786 Chei Krei Brei
• 1786 - 1793 Po Tithundaparang
• 1793 - 1799 Po Lathundapaguh
• 1799 - 1822 Po Chong Chan

[seaboy]

Wrong man. that is champa soldier under Tay son Army, i have more image of Tay son army not like this, because the person draw this is an English, Mr William, he can't seperate between the vietnamese Soldier in tay son Army, Ethnic Soldier and Champa soldier,

what i post here i was check carefully already when compare with History Evidence and script

[Matsu]

Wrong man. that is champa soldier under Tay son Army, i have more image of Tay son army not like this, because the person draw this is an English, Mr William, he can't seperate between the vietnamese Soldier in tay son Army, Ethnic Soldier and Champa soldier,

what i post here i was check carefully already when compare with History Evidence and script

I 've skimmed though that book in my school library several months ago. Could you please tell me the book tittle ?

[seaboy]

it's some new research from historian, and the book "the Journey to conchine china" , and "vietnamese Costumes through Age" (that is a Research of a Stylist and historian of Art Museum). and the last one is "nhất thống địa dư chí" Lê Quang Định (national geographic book), "việt nam sử lược" (summary of vietnam history) Trần Trọng kim. v.v...

[Matsu]

it's some new research from historian, and the book "the Journey to conchine china" , and "vietnamese Costumes through Age" (that is a Research of a Stylist and historian of Art Museum). and the last one is "nhất thống địa dư chí" Lê Quang Định (national geographic book), "việt nam sử lược" (summary of vietnam history) Trần Trọng kim. v.v...

I remembered this picture from a book depicts Tay Son dynasty The artist was an European missionary. Can't recall the name

[seaboy]

the Painter who draw many thing about tay son dynasty is Mr Alexander William. but depend on the thing the soldier wear on and depend on the Script i can sure that is champa peasant Soldier, especially in the area of Da Nang - Quang NAm is called amaravati in Champa Language , in that place has many champa people living until TaySon has been Defeated ,

[yevon]

“It was when in A.D. 1171 according to Chinese records, Ji Yangzhun was sent from Song dynasty China to Champa to teach the Chams in the use of the multibow siege crossbow. Not long after this date, double-bow arcuballistas appeared in 13th century A.D. Khmer bas relief sculptures on the walls of Bayon (Angkor Thom) and at Banteay Chmar. The Khmer, enemies of the Cham, very possibly adopted the technology from the Chams in their many wars for supremacy over the Indochina region. Siege crossbows were probably used by both the Khmers and the Chams in their wars with each other.”

I don't know where you have this information. But until now, we had check my history. In many war between Dai Viet and Champa before 1250, very hard to heard anything about multibow siege crossbow. We only see one kind of siege weapon is a gian trebuchet have name is Hoi Hoi ( Champa and Dai Viet had used it in war against Mongol and Yuan Dysnasty). Champa very strong in War Elephan, Dai Viet strong in guerrilla tactic, bowmen and croossbowmen. But they very weak in defend or attack a forstress. In 1075, When Dai Viet's General is Ly Thuong Kiet attack Ung Chau citadel( I'm ver sorry, I don't know citadel's original name.) , they lost 40 day only to capture it ( they have 100 000 men, but Chinese only have 2000 men). After had capture citadel, Dai Viet lost 10 000 men in their force. About defend, after when retake independence from Ming Dysnaty, Dai Viet have to destroy all of their forstress, stronghold, because they see they will never can hold them before the large army Chinese. They understand they only can win Chinese by guerrilla tactic, and develop many battle in the outback, where they will easy to make an ambush for defeat enemy.

[Kinay]

I got the information from that same site:
床 子 弩 Chuangzi Nu "Little Bed Crossbow" (Arcuballista)ca. 5th - 15th century A.D.

[yevon]

whao, that is good new for me, thank you very much.