What if god exists...

[The Dude]

But is not almighty?

How about that?

I spent some time thinking on this and I came to the conclusion that there is absolutely no reason for god to be almighty at all. All he has to be is someone who made the earth and humanity, and that's it. Something else entirely could be responsible for the creation of the universe.

What if god is simply like our fathers? You know when we were kids, how we looked up to our fathers as beings who could do everything and anything. Problem at school? No matter, dad would take care of it. Having problem with your grades? No problem, dad can help you out with math. Bad at sports? Dad will jump in and give you some pointers. Wanted that one toy real bad? Dad always had the money to buy it, and even if he didn't, the reasons he gave for not wanting you to have it always were the right ones.

Dad was always there as an all-purpose safety net. And while he was responsible for the creation of not just me, it also felt as if he was responsible for everything around me to some degree. He could right all the wrongs and make everything come together and work out.

Of course, then you grow up. You grow up and you realise that, well.. your father is just a guy. Sure, you love him and cherish him because hey, he's your father. But he's still just another human being like everyone else, and there are significant limits to what he can do.

What if that is simply the same thing with god? Because we know absolutely nothing about the nature of existence, or what happens outside our own measurable realm of the universe, it is easy to grossly overestimate the capacity of god.

Assuming he exists, what if he's really just nothing more than a higher being who made us and the earth, the solar system at most, and just left it at that. What if, when it comes to god, we simply haven't grown up yet?

Would that not make a lot more sense?

[C-Rob]

My father has been a lot more helpful than any god has been.

But then again, I would say that this is not the god I am worshipping. I don't worship the one who created just man. I worship the one who created all existance. If that one doesn't exist, well, ohwell, I guess i'm praying to myself, but never, ever directing it to this simple man-creator.

[Tigrul]

what christianity believes in is in no way the creator of everything. What christianity is worshiping resembles a human male extremely closely. Because of this, it actually is a lot more pertinent to say that if your god exists, it is the type of god that the dude talks about, and not perfection itself.

[C-Rob]

What site or book have you been reading, tigrul? You've never mentioned this kind of reasoning before now around these parts. You've sniffed out two threads that you can just throw this reasoning willy-nilly to appear like you've been thinking out of anywhere but your anus. It's foolish because christianity actually clearly states who they are worshipping- GOD, THE ALMIGHTY, MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH. OF ALL THAT IS SEEN AND UNSEEN.

[Tigrul]

I was a christian. I've let my pride blind me in one topic on this forum, which in effect means that I've used an information of another poster as if it were true without even verifying it. It was a mistake, which I've admitted once I've realized it, and for which I've apologized. Please don't go and do like the wolf and exaggerate; But now to return to our sheep, according to what I know, god asks for humility of us. Care to take a guess as to what type of creatures expect humility from their peers?

Oh... by the way, please watch the language.

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

God doesn't exist! Viva La Atheists!!!

[C-Rob]

I was a christian. I've let my pride blind me in one topic on this forum, which in effect means that I've used an information of another poster as if it were true without even verifying it. It was a mistake, which I've admitted once I've realized it, and for which I've apologized. Please don't go and do like the wolf and exaggerate; But now to return to our sheep, according to what I know, god asks for humility of us. Care to take a guess as to what type of creatures expect humility from their peers?

Oh... by the way, please watch the language.

Sorry.

I guess I can see where you are coming from in the thinking of the human male thing. It is quite similar. God has been seen as jealous, as you know, a human trait, and hurt humanity when they attempted to erect the tower of Babel. But I don't think that is what was actually in God's purpose for scattering us and confusing our tongues. God wants us to show humility because it makes the world a better place. Wars start from arrogant men. If people thought they were better than God, then there'd be no reason to worship God at all or do anything or be anything better than chimps. God handed us rules probably to make something better than the rest of creation. Or you can just go and see everything as proof God was created by men without attempting any reasoning. That's always easier.

[Carpathian Wolf]

I was a christian. I've let my pride blind me in one topic on this forum, which in effect means that I've used an information of another poster as if it were true without even verifying it. It was a mistake, which I've admitted once I've realized it, and for which I've apologized. Please don't go and do like the wolf and exaggerate; But now to return to our sheep, according to what I know, god asks for humility of us. Care to take a guess as to what type of creatures expect humility from their peers?

Oh... by the way, please watch the language.

Is there a thread where you post that my name isn't on your lips?

Oh and you're wrong. Christianity does teach God is all mighty maker of heaven and earth of all things visible and invisible.

I don't know what kind of Christian you were if you did not even recite the Creed. You have to do that every time you go to Church and it is ideal you say it every day of your life.

[Tigrul]

Is there a thread where you post that my name isn't on your lips?

Oh and you're wrong. Christianity does teach God is all mighty maker of heaven and earth of all things visible and invisible.

I don't know what kind of Christian you were if you did not even recite the Creed. You have to do that every time you go to Church and it is ideal you say it every day of your life.

1. You're seriously overestimating your importance

2. I know what christianity teaches. I also know that it was required for us to praise god, to be humble, to keep our heads down whenever saying a prayer, in sign of humility towards god. And I knew the creed when I was still a christian. I was really a very proud christian when I was a child. I have not said anything at all that would be contradictory to what you say about what christianity talks about. Usually, when one confronts the post of another, one does not bring arguments from the same area, but yet, irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I claimed that your god exects humility from us, and you've decided to "prove" this claim wrong by saying that your religion talks about the almighty creator of the world... myeah... good counterargument. Brilliant actually. I think I will stop giving much importance to you from this point forward... as fun as it may be to read your "ideas", I can have just as much fun by watching the Edward Current videos, and he doesn't even make insulting posts every now and then.

To everyone else: sorry for going off-topic here. I actually think the debate you were engulfed in was good, keep it up!

[Carpathian Wolf]

1. You're seriously overestimating your importance

2. I know what christianity teaches. I also know that it was required for us to praise god, to be humble, to keep our heads down whenever saying a prayer, in sign of humility towards god. And I knew the creed when I was still a christian. I was really a very proud christian when I was a child. I have not said anything at all that would be contradictory to what you say about what christianity talks about. Usually, when one confronts the post of another, one does not bring arguments from the same area, but yet, irrelevant to the discussion at hand. I claimed that your god exects humility from us, and you've decided to "prove" this claim wrong by saying that your religion talks about the almighty creator of the world... myeah... good counterargument. Brilliant actually. I think I will stop giving much importance to you from this point forward... as fun as it may be to read your "ideas", I can have just as much fun by watching the Edward Current videos, and he doesn't even make insulting posts every now and then.

To everyone else: sorry for going off-topic here. I actually think the debate you were engulfed in was good, keep it up!

1. Then why were you talking about me?

2. That was relevant to another post you had made to someone else, not what I quoted. Sorry i didnt specify but it was nice to see how sarcastic and venomess your words can be.

[jankren]

What if God was one of us?

[Helm]

What if God was one of us?

That would be Jesus then.

[The Dude]

Well I was kind of trying to get at god just being one of a species aswell. I mean, what are we basing the whole idea on that god is the only one of his kind in the first place?

I mean if god were simply part of a species, and all he did was create us and this world, as all other members of his species have created their own creatures and their own worlds, then there really is no reason to fanatically revere him so.

And he probably wouldn't want that either.

Seriously, what if god is just a guy. Just a normal every day god, of which there are plenty. A kind god, a caring god, one who does his best for all of us, but in the end just one of his kin.

Like our fathers.

I mean, seriously. Doesn't that just make a lot more sense? Like some sort of tiered creature system where non-sentients are at the bottom, we come next, then come the gods who create species of their own, then come the ones who created those gods, then come the ones above that, etc etc.

EDIT: And don't confuse this with polytheism. Polytheism assumes multiple gods who all have a vested interest in humanity. In my scenario god is the only one who cares about us while his fellow kin are out in the universe busy with creations of their own.

[Helm]

It's about the same saying a wizard did it.

[The Dude]

It's about the same saying a wizard did it.

Well the current situation is really no different, I'm just trying to bring at least -some- common sense into play. xD

[Dead Sun]

What if God just doesnt give a ****? Nearly everyone nowadays accepts Evolution, and some peple think that disproves god yes? Well, others think God would've given us the power to evolve and adapt to our surroundings. That seems feasible. Some people also think, "Well, God can be omnipresent because that is highly unethical for an all-loving being". Well, in my opinion, God is just like a stranger to us. He wantsus to believe in him (just as you'd prefer a stranger would think better of you than lowly of you) but if we dont he really cant care less.

[Helm]

Most Christians would point out that Jesus is evidence enough that he does care. As through him he gives us the opportunity to be saved.

[Dead Sun]

Most Christians would point out that Jesus is evidence enough that he does care. As through him he gives us the opportunity to be saved.

To be fair, Jesus (for all we know) could've been a crazy schizophrenic with a lucky charm. And thats what Christians believe, im not stating what a Christians hypothesis is, im stating my hypothesis.

[Aldgarkalaughskel]

What if god exists...

But is not almighty?

How about that?

I spent some time thinking on this and I came to the conclusion that there is absolutely no reason for god to be almighty at all. All he has to be is someone who made the earth and humanity, and that's it. Something else entirely could be responsible for the creation of the universe.

What if god is simply like our fathers? You know when we were kids, how we looked up to our fathers as beings who could do everything and anything. Problem at school? No matter, dad would take care of it. Having problem with your grades? No problem, dad can help you out with math. Bad at sports? Dad will jump in and give you some pointers. Wanted that one toy real bad? Dad always had the money to buy it, and even if he didn't, the reasons he gave for not wanting you to have it always were the right ones.

It means you're deist.

[Yaga Shu Ra]

Assuming he exists, what if he's really just nothing more than a higher being who made us and the earth, the solar system at most, and just left it at that. What if, when it comes to god, we simply haven't grown up yet?

Then this higher being would not be God, merely one of His creations.