Banners for Aragon

[Alexios Komnenos]

Hello there!

I've been working this afternoon in some banners for my SS Crown of Aragon and I decided to make a set of banners for the former Kingdom of Aragon. As you said that banners change when a faction "evolves" into another, then I decided to post my banners here for if you can find some use for them.

The first one is for the Kingdom of Aragon:



I'm afraid the capture has not the resolution I wanted.

The first banner is the Cross of Íñigo Arista, originally the signum of king Remiro I, but sightly modifyed. It should be white instead of yellow, but as that's what you're using as faction symbol, and besides it's cooler this way than the traditional way...

The second one is the Cross of Alcoraz, a Saint George Cross with four moorish heads, remembering the conquest of Huesca in 1096 led by king Pedro I.

The third one is a design that I invented, but it's based on this one:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I'm referring to the left side of the shield. This is the true signum of king Remiro I. I just centered the cross and triplicate it.

The last two are the Cross of Rada and the Tree of Sobrarbe. The Cross of Rada is the heraldic symbol of the county of Rada, in the Pyrenees. The other represents one of the initial counties of Aragon, Sobrarbe, which was believed to be the last refuge of Christians in Hispania after the Islamic conquest.

Then, I've made the banners of thwe Crown of Aragon:




The first one I've explained before. The second one goes for Barcelona. The Saint George quartered with the Four Bloody Bars are the symbol of Barcelona.

The third one is the Senyera Coronada, the Crowned Ensign. Today's the flag of Valencia, but some believe that was created by king Jaume the Conqueror and used as personal ensign. I don't know if that's true or not, but I get the chance to use such a beautiful banner.

The fourth is the plain Saint George Cross, for it was the banner of the Military Arm (the nobles) in the Crown of Aragon. Besides, Saint George was the patron saint of Aragon and Catalonia.

Finally, the Senyera, or Royal Ensign of Aragon (Senyal Reial d'Aragó), four bloody bars on a golden field. The legen tells that it was Count Guifré the Hairy who, while dying after the failed conquest of Lleida at the year 897 AD, asked to the Frankish King Charles the Bold for an ensign for him and his family. Then, Charles put his hand in Guifré's mortal wound and drew four lines of blood with his fingers upon Guifré's golden shield.

I've done two more banners, in case you need them:

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This is the ensign of the city of Zaragoza. It was not yet under Aragonese control in 1100, but Alfonso the Battler would conquer it in 1118 and make it his capital city.

And this last one, for the Crown of Aragon:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

That's the heraldic ensign of the powerful Montcada dynasty. It was possibly the most powerful family in high Medieval years, between 1180 and 1300, and achieved the title of Stewart of the Kingdom in heritance. After the dead of the two most prominent members of the family, the dynasty began to decay to make way to another family: the Cardona dynasty, which would become the most powerful family in the Crown of Aragon unit XVIth Century, when the last Duke of Cardona, Grande de España, died with no male heirs and his daughter married the Duke of Sogorb, a Castillian, who later would merge his title to that of the Duke of Medinaceli, a great Castillian noble bloodline which still exists today.

That's all. I hope it can help you somehow.

Take care!

PS: Sorry, I don't know how to make spoilers...

[OdinX]

You did well, thanks!

[Walkman810i]

Nice

[Alexios Komnenos]

How many banners will the game show? I mean, standard Vanilla game shows five banners, but some mods ("King's banner", I think) adds more banners to the game, or at least they make some banner file attached to some kind of unit.

I hate the Vanilla standard banners, all with the faction colour, as if it was some kind of uniform, instead of showing the beautiful sight of many Medieval colourful banners and pennants. So, the more banners you can add to a faction, the better. Besides, if you can, for instance, make that Militia and "low" units use a banner file, "proffessional" units use another and "feudal" units, such as Feudal and Chivalric knights, use another one, the sight will be great and we'll be able to represent the feudal reality of a kingdom though the banners.

In the case of Aragon, there are several banners that I'd like to add but I just didn't had enough banners. I did it with the shields, which in my SS are also modifyed for this way they can represent true heraldic symbology, but it would be nice to do it with the banners as well.

Take care!

[OdinX]

I think if we can, we will use it; however, at this point in time, I'm not sure if we planned to have any changes to the banners.

[Basil 11]

These look great - I hope the team do use them!

[Nikephorus16]

I really like your custom flag!

[AnthoniusII]

An exelent work here....

[Sovietzug]

Hi, i'm from Valencia

Great job with banners !! but i want to give you more info about banners and shields.


First the oficial banner and shield of aragon kingdom:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_de_Arag%C3%B3n


Aragón y sicilia:


All historics banners from valencia:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandera...dad_Valenciana

The valencia flag with blue line is not from Jaume I´s age, this is the original:


The blue line is added at 1503 AC, supposed a sea reference (really a posible reference to a blue clothe from Pedro IV http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_IV_de_Arag%C3%B3n )

About the shield of valencia:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escudo_...dad_Valenciana




About Jaume I el Conqueridor (The conqueror):

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaume_I


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[Alexios Komnenos]

Hi, i'm from Valencia

Great job with banners !! but i want to give you more info about banners and shields.


First the oficial banner and shield of aragon kingdom:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_de_Arag%C3%B3n


Aragón y sicilia:

I think the second one does not fit the game timeing. The arms for Aragon and Sicily were created in early XVth Century, when Martí I inherited the island. Since the conquest of Sicily made by Pere the Great to Martí, Sicily was ruled by a secundary branch of the House of Barcelona, and was not into the Crown of Aragon (the king of Sicily, althoug Catalan and relative to the king of Aragon, was a king, he pledged to no one other than himself. The same happened to the kings of Mallorca, bothering their Royal cousins of Barcelona until Pere III had enough and conquered the Balearic Isles).

All historics banners from valencia:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandera...dad_Valenciana

The valencia flag with blue line is not from Jaume I´s age, this is the original:


The blue line is added at 1503 AC, supposed a sea reference (really a posible reference to a blue clothe from Pedro IV http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_IV_de_Arag%C3%B3n )

Yes, I said before that the banner was probably not Medieval, but although the developers of the mod probably care about it, I don't. I like the aesthetics of the Crowned Ensign, actually I find it a very, very beautiful flag, and I wanted my SS Aragonese troops to carry that banner. That's all. But you're totally right, this pennant you show, the famous "Penó de la Conquesta", (Pennant of the Conquest [of Valencia], is probably the best option for historicity.

About the shield of valencia:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escudo_...dad_Valenciana

This was not a symbol shown on banners or pennants, it was a heraldic crest. The coat of arms is actually just the shield itself, the helmet and the dragon summit are part of the crest. In most armorials all the coats of arms are crowned by a crest showing some identificative summit from the arm's owner.

About Jaume I el Conqueridor (The conqueror):

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaume_I


and



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A very interesting personage indeed. There's a movie of him being made, but it's been some years and I've just heard that they started filming. I think it's a dead project. Too bad, the cast was splendid. Tim Roth as king Pere the Catholic (dying at Muret...), Jude Law as king Jaume the Conqueror (this was a rumour, who knows...).

Take a look:

http://www.evostudio.com/webs/kingc/...ror-Prensa.pdf

And take care!

[Syme]

Yes, I said before that the banner was probably not Medieval, but although the developers of the mod probably care about it, I don't. I like the aesthetics of the Crowned Ensign, actually I find it a very, very beautiful flag, and I wanted my SS Aragonese troops to carry that banner. That's all. But you're totally right, this pennant you show, the famous "Penó de la Conquesta", (Pennant of the Conquest [of Valencia], is probably the best option for historicity.

Better late than never:

The Penó de la Conquesta was the flag supposedly raised by the muslim garrison of Valencia indicating their surrender to King James I. The original colours were red and white, the white turning yellow due to time. Therefore, having aragonese troops carrying this pennant wouldn't be very accurate. So, the only accurate flag for the Kingdom of Valencia in those days would be the four red bars on a yellow background.

[Woden]

ARAGÓ, ARAGÓ, DESPERTA, FERRO!!!!

I'm from Mallorca, boys, where the Conqueror made great deeds.

These is our historic shield:



And this our banner:

[Hax]

It's good to see so much enthousiasm for the Kingdom of Arágon.

Yes, they will make a good enemy before I stomp them in the ground playing as the Caliphate of Ibn-Tashfin


Just kidding, thanks for all the great info.

[OdinX]

Nice, thanks for the info, perhaps these will be used.

[Marcos182]

ARAGON!!! WOHOO!