Ecumenical Patriarch

**mirzaa** · January 11, 2009, 03:06 PM

Helo.is there a mod that add in game Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople,I aske this,because i think that is not ok,that the pope has so "power" in the game,islamic priest aslo,but orthodox faction has priest with nothing,and Ecumenical Patriarch was very important for orthdox faction/state?

**Doctor** · January 17, 2009, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by mirzaa

Ecumenical Patriarch was very important for orthdox faction/state?

Are you asking us if he is? If you are making a statement that he is, then I believe that it is only possible to have one "pope" faction.

**Emperor Basil** · January 20, 2009, 06:35 AM

The Patriarch did not have that same role as the pope. The Patriarch was under significant power from the Byzantine Emperor while the popes pretty much ruled themselves. Also the patriarchs (the four who weren't the pope) claimed a degree of equality while the pope claimed supremacy. Therefore there were kind of four heads of the Orthodox church which would mean five different pope factions (two are impossible as we know). Lastly the patriarchs did not really use excommunication like the pope did or call crusades. Therefore the principle purposes and powers that the pope has in the game would be pointless/ahistorical.
However, if you do wish to add a patriarch of a sort then I believe Blood, Broads and Bastards has a patriarch who is just a big bishop. The equivalent of a catholic cardinal.

Also this is not a released mod and therefore in the wrong thread.

**mirzaa** · January 20, 2009, 01:40 PM

You are only half correct,first after arabs conquest the power of Patriarch Of holy city Jerusalem,of Ationch,and of Alexandria fell drastically,aslo the Christianity had divided because of "fight" betwean Pope and Ecumenical Patirarch of Constantinope,after 1054.,the Ecumenical Patirarch was orthodox leader,until the some state(Russia,Serbia...)had established their own orthodox church,but The Patirach of Constantinople is today "first among others",.....

**Emperor Basil** · January 26, 2009, 09:55 AM

'First among equals' I think you meant. You are correct, although I still think my point stands that the Patriarch would not work in the way the pope works.

**Caesar Clivus** · January 26, 2009, 04:49 PM

It's hardcoded so it can't be added in.

**Mythic_Commodore** · January 29, 2009, 06:59 AM

If you want to see the patriarch, Zephrelial made a mod adding it in, but they have none of the power of the pope.

**DacianWarrior** · February 17, 2009, 01:42 PM

there should be add a Patriarh as a priest..should sound oke and a very good idea..

**Squid** · February 20, 2009, 12:58 PM

Moved to M2TW GD forum.

**Reynolds** · February 20, 2009, 01:37 PM

I'm sure there is a mod but it only adds said person in as a priest but with extra converting power, i have played this mod so that narrows it down for me

Il go have a look for ya and edit this post with what i find