english huscarls and Mounted Longbowmen add to england

[mrcosta]

well , there is the 2 units add to england roster.

i deleted two units of crapy ireland.

[Gogolometro]

Better delete the sherwood archers and the the bill militia.

[mikil100]

Better delete the sherwood archers and the the bill militia.

/agree


Especially on the Sherwood archers.. I've used Bill Militia before

[Gogolometro]

Too much bills guys.Heavy one are great but at least billmans and billmilitia use their spot in rooster without any valor.

[Sargon_of_Akkad]

I wish I could figure out how to change what unit goes where (I've seen the thread, decided I couldn't be bothered), just so I could remove all the pointless Billmen/Bill Militia combos from cities and castles, and just replace it with the singular Billmen for both, and then for all the freaking redundant spear militia units too.

That'd free up some slots...

[W4SPY]

would it be possible to give billmen a longer pike?.....i never use them would rather go to scotland and recruit some pikes,,,,but if billmen had better weapon i would use them instead...and it would be cheaper and easier to get them

[Don in the North]

should make the sherwoods mounted instead imo

[Gogolometro]

Did you see after a charge in a armored spermans wall been devasted by heavy billmans atack?Pikes for england?Nope!Halebards?Yes!
Billmans is like a specific english units but only heavy one deserve the attention.

[kosmosje1]

How would you use the English Longbow on a horse?... :S Those things are frickin' huge!

[Navajo Joe]

How would you use the English Longbow on a horse?... :S Those things are frickin' huge!

You are right on that for sure, they would be too large to use on a horse and more importantly, I cannot see how you could draw the bow and fire, except when you are stopped. There is absolutely no way you could fire this bow and hit anything if you were on the move.

[kosmosje1]

Oh, and I just realised something else: Huscarls were the household troops of Germanic people such as Vikings, Frisians and Saxons, not the Normans that lived in France during that time. They relied more on the conventional troops currently in the roster. After expulsion of the Saxons, their use must have stopped as well in England.

The 'English Housecarl' Mercenaries that remain available are the remnants of the Saxon tradition.

[Tacitursa]

The Huscarls came around during the conquests of Knut and after his death most of them left and joined the Varangian Guard in the Byzantine Empire. Huscarls and the long axe pretty much disapeared from england at this time but inspired the use of the Bill and the Pole axe.

Many people beleived that the Varangian guard were mostly made up of Norse men but around the 12th century there were so many english in it that it was often refered to as "The English Guard".


Mounted longbowmen only used mounts for travel they never fought on horseback. In that sense though i think english archers or longbowmen at least should have the same movement points as cavalry and such.

[Henry707]

Mounted longbowman you say - that's crazy talk.

Won't it make the English the easiest faction to play since I don't know what...

Henri

[Tacitursa]

Won't it make the English the easiest faction to play since I don't know what

They are already the easiest faction to play

[Jonni_g_n]

I don't know, the varangians would not be fighting for Norman England (however Morcar did support Robert Curthose when he rebelled). After 1066 they all became varangian, coining the term 'anglavarangoi'.

Also very unlikely to get mounted longbowman, have you seen the size of a longbow?

Still nice creations, make some more!

[Angrychris]

Thats why horse archers excelled far greater in eastern europe, asia, and africa with their composite bows that massacred the troops of Christendom.

[Gogolometro]

Give me 1 battle when HA "masacrated" the europeans armys.Nope the Crassus stupidity is out of question.
Off topic:How the heck in inferior numbers against the hot sun the templars and cristian knights manage to stay in holy land so much time?Because HA are just like flys who more annoy you than real been and overkill soldier?

[kosmosje1]

Give me 1 battle when HA "masacrated" the europeans armys.Nope the Crassus stupidity is out of question.
Off topic:How the heck in inferior numbers against the hot sun the templars and cristian knights manage to stay in holy land so much time?Because HA are just like flys who more annoy you than real been and overkill soldier?

Massacres are rarely the result of the actual battle, but rather of the route. That can also be clearly seen in M2TW, you generally kill many/most enemies after the rout, not during the fight. HA are used to soften up infantry to make them most easily overrun by the cavalery or beaten by regular infantry.

Horse Archers alone won't destroy an army that easily. But wait until battle-weary troops that have been showered with arrows for a while are hit up front by something heavy and fast. That shift in balance cannot be expressed in pure casualties.

It is similar to the Battle of Agincourt where the main damage done by the archers was done in the melee. Their arrows did little damage and mainly clogged the battlefield with a few dead. But once the muddy, water-soaked ground got obstructed, battle formations faltered and a charge turned into a meatgrinder. That, and being lightly armoured (not sinking in the field) gave them the advantage that allowed them to join the slaughter.

In both cases, it is not the actual arrows doing the damage, but the additional effect. It is slightly similar to using flaming arrows in battles in M2TW. In a normal battle, it just means that you do less damage since your firing rate is lower. Yet at the same time, the moral effect is enormous.

[Gogolometro]

You are a bit right and a bit not.Interesting feature was like moral dstrupter but was only 1 situation when HA faced the western armys in crusades.Crusaders changed all aspects of the war in levant, their armors, high disciplined a big morale crushed tons of superior numbers armys.Crusades was not lose it on battlefields because HA pinn the knights or they was killed by mameluk cavalry.Reality is not same thing like a TW game.

[kosmosje1]

You are a bit right and a bit not.Interesting feature was like moral dstrupter but was only 1 situation when HA faced the western armys in crusades.Crusaders changed all aspects of the war in levant, their armors, high disciplined a big morale crushed tons of superior numbers armys.Crusades was not lose it on battlefields because HA pinn the knights or they was killed by mameluk cavalry.Reality is not same thing like a TW game.

The Crusades as a whole were lost due to internal strife and bad decisions on the part of the crusaders. And I am quite sure Horse Archers can work on the tactic of attrition, since they are mobile and can likely harry an army all day (similar tactic by the Parthians is described in the book 'Centurion'). That would mean that knights would eventually be forced to walk in their armour to prevent being shot.

The thing is, that in the end, cavalery and horse archers can only prove pivotal if the infantry is up to its job. Compared to English or French knights, the muslim infantry was nothing. You will always need the infantry on the ground to cover a big part of the battle for you.