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  1. January 10, 2009, 11:06 AM #1
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    To me, it seems like there are mainly 3 kinds of foreign politics of a nation. You have some notice of this when you speak with some one taking part in a foreign political process:
    1. General public/light media investigators: You and me. We live, we get born, some sort of school, our political minds settle down in relative ok conditions. We are also highly ideolog, and focus on simple matter: left/right. Wester culture/terrorsim, China etc.
    2. Media specialist/though reporters/secound hand info. people. have some idea of the political world. They live some of their life in crissis areas and speak with both leaders in a political process. Some have real info on why a leader takes certin odd actions. They are part ideologist, but they also recognice the power of the system.
    3. 1st hand inormation is excange in this level. All(most of) know how each part will react in a political situation. They use religion, past events, national/authority to move the crowd. Not because the peroson wants us harm, but because the main part in this section is not ideological. Their main concern is their own nations economics and national order.
    I will not say it is a A-B-C section of dividing this. This is just a general section. I do not say that every government is like this, but those who need something, resource, land, foothold relation, from another nation takes some part. The point that I hope you will get is that lvl 1 politics got little to do with that it says in the news.

    Im not finished jet, but I need to go... . No matter, please share some thoughts on the matter.

    Cheers.

    ...Continue: If you ever speak, eye to eye, with a person; who is a Leader/spoksman for an organisation(very high grade, lvl3). This person will simply laugh/cry if you stand your ground on General-public perspective on politics in (Particulary lvl 1)media. They may also tell you something very secret, or what will happen if there is a conflict to a very detail description(lvl3). This person may also tell you why nations have a disagreement and how extremly childish, jet it's a extremly delicat procedure.

    This makes me think: Is the spokesmen for a conflict-nation extremly stupid or don't they wan'to lose face in the international community. I also think, how stupid the general-public is, maybe their better off being sheeps... they don't seem to mind...

    So my question is: have some of you ever experienced/lived with (lvl3)people, who told you about a world agenda, 1st hand info? Something that makes you puke when a conflict-nation motivates large groupse of people on TV, etc? If this person is no longer your real friend anymore, please name which organisation/nation to put it in perspective.
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    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
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  2. January 10, 2009, 11:50 AM #2
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    I'm not really sure what it is you are proposing.

    The tiers make sense, but could you expand a little more on 'foreign politics of the nation'. What do you mean by this? What is the context/significance of the tiers? What do they say? Are you calling the media a political actor?
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  3. January 10, 2009, 09:31 PM #3
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    what are you trying to say?...
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  4. January 11, 2009, 05:36 AM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilting View Post
    I'm not really sure what it is you are proposing.

    The tiers make sense, but could you expand a little more on 'foreign politics of the nation'. What do you mean by this? What is the context/significance of the tiers? What do they say? Are you calling the media a political actor?
    Media just do what they do. I have no high-end inerference in these big companys to take out any real conclusion. It would just end in a blind theory. I know they need to make money and compete, for obvius reasons. That is not my job. What I have is... let me give you a senario...

    If you ever speak, eye to eye, with a person; who is a Leader/spoksman for an organisation(very high grade, lvl3). This person will simply laugh/cry if you stand your ground on General-public perspective on politics in (Particulary lvl 1)media. They may also tell you something very secret, or what will happen if there is a conflict to a very detail description(lvl3). This person may also tell you why nations have a disagreement and how extremly childish, jet it's a extremly delicat procedure.

    This makes me think: Is the spokesmen for a conflict-nation extremly stupid or don't they wan'to lose face in the international community. I also think, how stupid the general-public is, maybe their better off being sheeps... they don't seem to mind...

    So my question is: have some of you ever experienced/lived with (lvl3)people, who told you about a world agenda, 1st hand info? Something that makes you puke when a conflict-nation motivates large groupse of people on TV, etc? If this person is no longer your real friend anymore, please name which organisation/nation to put it in perspective.
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    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
    - The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.













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  5. January 11, 2009, 06:14 AM #5
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    Ah ok.

    What about academics, who might for example not know first hand what is happening in a given situation, but have a very good understanding of the general 'rules' on which the situation is operating under, and how actors are likely to behave?

    What about middle and low ranking members of ruling political parties? Parliament members versus ministers?

    If I knew any dirty secrets, what makes you think I would reveal them?

    Actually, I don't know anything that profound. Dirty secrets aren't that important if they violate what a rational self-interested actor would do. I have access to certain people who could tell me certain things, but I wouldn't regard those things as very important in the context of the broader system. (As in 'oh well that's politics' unsurprsing stuff).
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  6. January 11, 2009, 06:39 AM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilting View Post
    Ah ok.

    What about academics, who might for example not know first hand what is happening in a given situation, but have a very good understanding of the general 'rules' on which the situation is operating under, and how actors are likely to behave?

    Well im not sure what you mean by the word "academics". Could you try to be more specific and/or a world agenda-senario. Western culture, russ, west bank etc.., "Rank", Organisation: National government, EU, NATO, UN....etc

    Quote Originally Posted by wilting View Post
    If I knew any dirty secrets, what makes you think I would reveal them?
    Actually, I don't know anything that profound. Dirty secrets aren't that important if they violate what a rational self-interested actor would do. I have access to certain people who could tell me certain things, but I wouldn't regard those things as very important in the context of the broader system. (As in 'oh well that's politics' unsurprsing stuff).
    I don't think you know any top-secrets...
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    ...although I find your interest in this matter quite peculiar, maybe a 1911 silencer will silence the job against you social democrats of Irland.... No just kidding. Im not a spy of some sort.... or am I...
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    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
    - The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.













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    This is the only forum I visit with any sort of frequency and I'm glad it has provided a home for RTR since its own forum went down in 2007. Hopefully my donation along with others from TWC users will help get the site back to its speedy heyday, which will certainly aid us in our endeavor to produce a full conversion mod Rome2.
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  7. January 11, 2009, 08:08 AM #7
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    Erm, I thought 'academic' was pretty self explanatory...

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/academic

    I mean researchers of political science (primarily). The people who actually study how politics works and propose theories, like you are here.

    You know, those guys that hang around in universities? Smoking pipes? (And doing shots and fornicating with students).
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