Fear the "Power of Islam"

**Atatürk** · January 10, 2009, 08:17 AM

Islam has a great togetherness which is lacking in many other religions. There is the ummah, the Muslim brotherhood where they will protect and look out for each other regardless of race and nationality.

This has already been demonstrated on many occasions. Such as when the USSR occupied Afghanistan, Jihadi's from all over the world went there to free the Afghan's from Russian rule and they succeeded. There are also much more Islamic martyr's than let's say Jewish and Christian martyr's. They will die for each other.

Now does the West fear this?

The Arab countries are weak in the present day and always squabble amongst each other. The last time the Islam was unified was during the rule of the Ottoman Empire, the last caliphate. So what did the west do about this, they twisted the Arabs minds and made them hate the Ottomans and they rebelled, so they could become 'free'. Now these countries are 'free' under puppet leaders.

There is a quote saying "Those who have not seen it, do not know the power of Islam".

**Watchman** · January 10, 2009, 08:21 AM

I seem to recall the Ottomans having constantly had wars with the Persians, and nothing at all to do with say the Mughals in India or the diverse little khanates and whatnots in Central Asia.

"United" my foot. Fail.

**BritPatriot1815** · January 10, 2009, 08:24 AM

RUBBISH!!!!!

Now does the west fear this

erm... No i don't

They will die for each other

unified

And fight against eachother, Muslims have fought between eachother

the Muslim brotherhood where they will protect and look out for each other regardless of race and nationality

You fought against eachother, you've fought the Jews & Christians. Not entirly accuate

**VALIS** · January 10, 2009, 08:25 AM

Good lord, the day Islam takes over the world is the day civilization as we know it comes to a crashing halt and decays.
Thankfully, that day will never come due to Islams inherent backwardness.

**Watchman** · January 10, 2009, 08:27 AM

...and some other people Fail History Forever too, I see.

**Aldgarkalaughskel** · January 10, 2009, 08:26 AM

I fear that the developing Muslim governments who would be on the right way to embrace freedom and democracy (and other modern values) will be eventually overthrown by the rabid and uneducated religious Muslim masses. Then we'd have a problem.

**Manco** · January 10, 2009, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Kemalraik

Islam has a great togetherness which is lacking in many other religions. There is the ummah, the Muslim brotherhood where they will protect and look out for each other regardless of race and nationality.

The ummah is a fairytale. The only ones coming to your 'rescue' are extremist militant fanatics, and they'll only come if it fits in their plans of amassing power and influence or if they can fight Islam's 'enemies' (read the US, other Western nations and basically anyone not muslim)
If there's an earthquake, tsunami or any other calamity that doesn't fit with their 'holy' war, they're nowhere to be seen. What you'll see then is the Red Cross/Crescent, UN, various (mostly Western) NGO's,...

And togetherness? You mean the togetherness shown in Iraq where Sunni's and Shia's have been slaughtering each other for the last few years? Or do you mean the Wahhabi's who couldn't care less for anyone they don't feel is pious enough?

This has already been demonstrated on many occasions. Such as when the USSR occupied Afghanistan, Jihadi's from all over the world went there to free the Afghan's from Russian rule and they succeeded.

You mean the extremist fanatics right? The crazy people who believe in 'holy' wars and don't truly care about improving the life of Afghans (*cough* Taliban *cough*)? All due respect to the Afghans, but really?

There are also much more Islamic martyr's than let's say Jewish and Christian martyr's. They will die for each other.

We don't need martyrs. We're doing fine without them and their fanaticism.

Now does the West fear this?

Not really, sure bombings could happen but the likelihood is rather small. For the rest there's not much to fear.

The Arab countries are weak in the present day and always squabble amongst each other. The last time the Islam was unified was during the rule of the Ottoman Empire, the last caliphate. So what did the west do about this, they twisted the Arabs minds and made them hate the Ottomans and they rebelled, so they could become 'free'. Now these countries are 'free' under puppet leaders.

Nice distortion of history. Arabs have had strained relations with their Turkish rulers fo centuries, but suddenly it's the West's fault they rebelled? Not even that, we defeated the Ottomans. We split their territories amongst ourselves. They became independant decades later.

There is a quote saying "Those who have not seen it, do not know the power of Islam".

What power? The power that's dwarfed by the West and the East? Or is this some other power I'm not aware of?

**jimmy spong** · January 10, 2009, 09:20 AM

we need jankeren and his signature

**Barry Goldwater** · January 10, 2009, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Kemalraik

Islam has a great togetherness which is lacking in many other religions. There is the ummah, the Muslim brotherhood where they will protect and look out for each other regardless of race and nationality.

There is no such unity - you have not just fought Jews and Christians, but also yourselves. Now point me to where this 'unity' stands.

This has already been demonstrated on many occasions. Such as when the USSR occupied Afghanistan, Jihadi's from all over the world went there to free the Afghan's from Russian rule and they succeeded. There are also much more Islamic martyr's than let's say Jewish and Christian martyr's. They will die for each other.

They would have failed if it weren't for American assistance. And are you saying a Muslim is more willing to die for his faith than a Jew (look at groups like Irgun, not that that's the nicest example

) or a Christian (look at the Crusades - again, not a pleasant example, but it shows that there are plenty of Christian fanatics willing to die for their faith too)?

Now does the West fear this?

Not really. I don't, that's for sure. Why?

The Arab countries are weak in the present day and always squabble amongst each other. The last time the Islam was unified was during the rule of the Ottoman Empire, the last caliphate. So what did the west do about this, they twisted the Arabs minds and made them hate the Ottomans and they rebelled, so they could become 'free'. Now these countries are 'free' under puppet leaders.

Lolwut? The Arabs never really liked the Ottomans anyway. Are you saying the Brits used mind-control to turn them against their masters or something?

There is a quote saying "Those who have not seen it, do not know the power of Islam".

Alright, what power are you talking about? The same power that was halted at Vienna twice, in 1529 and 1683, or that was shattered in WWI? Or the power(s) that teamed up to smash Israel in 1948 and 1967, yet failed (disastrously so) every single time?

What's the point of this topic? Religious and nationalist dickwaving? Or are you a troll?

**~~Yosemite~~** · January 10, 2009, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by The Man

:derp::derp::derp: Alright, what power are you talking about? The same power that was halted at Vienna twice, in 1529 and 1683, or that was shattered in WWI? Or the power(s) that teamed up to smash Israel in 1948 and 1967, yet failed (disastrously so) every single time?

What's the point of this topic? Religious and nationalist dickwaving? Or are you a troll?

unity against one big

ing entity always win

**Watchman** · January 10, 2009, 11:03 AM

My bet's on "troll". Well, I've seen worse provos.

**~~Yosemite~~** · January 10, 2009, 11:07 AM

He is a genuine troll, it means he truely believes in what he says, and trolls without knowing.

**rusina** · January 10, 2009, 11:26 AM

Kemalraik, how old are you? You should be more afraid of the "Power of West", than we should be of the "Power of Islam".

**~~Yosemite~~** · January 10, 2009, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by rusina

Kemalraik, how old are you? You should be more afraid of the "Power of West"

no need to fear them

mellow good people supporting the poor

**rusina** · January 10, 2009, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Yosemite

no need to fear them

mellow good people supporting the poor

West has America.

**~~Yosemite~~** · January 10, 2009, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by rusina

West has America.

OH GOD I AM

MY PANTS THE WEAST HAS AMERIKANS OH GOD WE ARE DEAD

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

**dogukan** · January 10, 2009, 11:44 AM

Oh no Kemalraik, you again.....now we'll have all the Islam haters here cursing at people they do not know....
This thread shall bring out the animals in humans unless it's locked. Let's see...

**C-Rob** · January 10, 2009, 11:51 AM

I lack fear and even if I did see it first hand, I would consider it with the same as if any other enemy was powerful, disregarding their religion. I do not fear anyone's faith, simply the gun in their hand(assuming I dont' have one in mine, or they outnumber my own)

**Barry Goldwater** · January 10, 2009, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Yosemite

unity against one big

ing entity always win

What? The Ottoman army at Vienna (both times) heavily outnumbered the Austrian (and later, allied) forces, and they appeared unstoppable (having smashed Hungary in 1526), yet they were still defeated (twice, at the same place).

yeah we should fear EVERY SINGLE

ING AMERICANS right? americans are your masters?

If the combined forces of the major Muslim nations in the Middle East could not defeat Israel, how long do you imagine they'll be able to hold out if the US invades them?

**Watchman** · January 10, 2009, 12:01 PM

Er - in a siege you need a numerical superiority of several to one; that's pretty much a given. And failure is still a real enough possibility, as has happened often enough in history.

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