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    Default Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    I find myself making different types of specialized full stack armies just for the fun of it.

    Cavalry Army

    This is composed of 1-2 general units plus a half stack (or more!) of heavy cavalry rounded out with light cav, horse archers, and maybe a few infantry/archers/artillery.

    This type of army is vulnerable to spear infantry, though unless the enemy army has 4+ spears in his line, it is usually easily broken with this much cavalry.

    This army does the best on even terrain where the opponent is easily charged and does not have an elevated terrain advantage.

    Infantry armies without a lot of heavy cavalry support suffer horribly from an army of this type. Basically, one massive charge is usually enough to break the moral of the opponent.

    Siege Army

    For starters, 4-5 units of gunpowder artillery.

    Say 2 cannons, 2 mortars.

    Or same amount of regular artillery if not late game.

    1 ballista, 2 catapults, 1 mangonel (love it!).

    Then a whole mess of infantry, probably at least 4-6 heavy, especially if there is a big garrison.

    2-4 light infantry to fill out the zerg.

    Good general with +command when sieging, night fighting, etc.

    I also like to bring 4 units of missile troops, probably half archers and the other crossbows (if no gunpowder).

    I may also bring along 2-3 units of cavalry just in case.

    Missile Army

    A current experiment with England.

    I bring about 6-8 longbow archers (or equivalent tech'ed).

    This allows you to setup some great defenses using stakes.

    Needs about 4 infantry, 3-4 cavalry, basically just for meeting the enemy (if he makes it to you without routing).

    Couple artillery.

    Horse archers if you got em.

    This army works awesome if you have a height advantage or if an enemy army is being intercepted while it is trying to reenforce from the edge of the map.

    Heavy Infantry Army

    This one isn't too complicated. Use the Dismounted Knights or similar heavy infantry to fill out about half the stack. Sprinkle with some light cav, horse archers, and other skirmishers. Works good against infantry armies, heavy cav (unless lots!), and archers.

    May not work too great against horse archers unless you bring along a lot of archers.

    Take along 2 javelins, too. They can lob away into the back of the enemy blob as it is held back by your front line heavy infantry.

    Cavalry Skirmish Army

    I never really fleshed this one out too well, but the idea is cavalry only with support brought in as reenforcements whereever you happen to be, with a lot of horse archers (4+).

    This army is great for getting to remote places in the nick of time, because all cavalry armies can go a lot farther in one turn than those with infantry and (especially!) artillery.

    This army works good with artillery, but I usually just reenforce at the battle from a nearby city or ship rather than lug them around all the time.

    Pilgrim Army

    This is fun. Buy as many Pilgrim mercenaries as you can after you join a Crusade. They are only 35 gold apiece and no upkeep! Complete the Crusade.

    Now you have a gigantic and experienced Pilgrim zerg.

    On large unit size, each Pilgrim unit has 150 men, which if you have a full stack equals a massive army. I like to throw in a general and maybe some heavy cav and a bit of missile troops.

    With this army, you just immediately zerg the opponent and engulf him with your 2000 zergling pilgrims.

    I try to keep things interesting, ya know, avoid boredom.

    Anyone else have any more fun ideas for me to try out with my current England Campaign? :hmmm:
    Last edited by jahjeremy; January 09, 2009 at 05:33 PM.

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    Default Re: Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    Nice ideas, I tend to find myself using Reiters and Handgunners often in most of my HRE armies. I take Reiters and attack the enemy on the sides, and when the gunners are set up, I fire a few volleys into the middle of the enemy army and make em all charge into the weakened enemy.
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    Default Re: Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    I do! With Stainless Steel on my current campaign with The Crown of Aragon for example, I create siege, occupation and Assault Armies in the early game. The Siege army is mostly Spear Miltia & Crossbow Miltia. The Occupation and Assault Armies consist of Jinetes and other light Cavalry serving a the 'strike force', with an additional small but effective counterpart of Heavy Infantry, Archers & Heavy Cavalry.

    In the late game I downgrade to a generic professional army of 4 Tercio Pikemen, 4 Basque Archers, 2 Sword and Buckler Men, and 2 Gendarmes.. I will subsitute this build with artillery such as a Basilisk, Serpetines or Ballistas. If you can survive to the late game, you are open to world domination like in many other factions with professional armies.

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    Default Re: Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    I like balanced armies, but a little accent on the Cavalry. I try not to deliberately have armies composed entirely of Knights, Broken Lances and the like - I self regulate so that I'm not overpowered in battle.

    In particular, I delight in Italian militia armies. Milita infantry, militia cavalry, handgunners (or Genoese Crossbow militia) supported by preferably four or five pieces of artillery. The idea being that it is a strong militia army, semi professional as the Italian militia's where, and they have the supreme technology of their cities to support them. I'll add a light sprinkling of professional troops to add some variety, or act in a heavy infantry role.

    You ever fought a campaign with mercenary armies? I'd like to take a geneal, and some nobility (knights or what-have-you) and go on campaign, collecting my mercenary army as I go.
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    Default Re: Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    All light cavalry armies with 1 general unit. Preferably Alan Light Cavalry, I just love those fast little guys! With a high command general and once your cavalry get up to 3 silver chevrons or above (doesn't take long when your rampaging through the countryside ransacking whatever you can touch) there is nothing they can't either smash through, cut up or run away from. When they hit gold bars, two units of alan light cavalry on the charge decimate a generals unit. So much fun. Beware of losing track of a stray unit as it sits somewhere and gets ransacked by some random infantry unit!
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    Default Re: Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    It all depends where I'm at, if i have multiple armies in a flat area I try to have mostly infantry and 1 full stack of cavalry. If on a mountian I try to mass cavalry...most of this is done to reproduce Charges of Rohan from LOTR....

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    Default Re: Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    I forgot to mention my favorite army of all.

    Desperate Siege Defense Army

    This is composed of whatever troops/artillery you can whip up before the enemy's full stack army decides to descend on your settlement.

    Usually this is composed of...

    Peasants and/or spear militia, as many as you can pump out in 1 turn!

    Probably 2-3 missile units, probably one experienced one and a few crap (peasant archers).

    A general and some random veteran cavalry unit with 14 soldiers left in it. (veterans of a Charge of the Light Brigade)

    A couple veteran infantry units at less than full strength.

    Add in a catapult and/or ballista.

    Then you attempt to defend your castle against 2:1 odds (or worse) with this ad hoc army.

    Epic! Some of my most enjoyable and hard fought wins have been in this type of situation.

    Oh, yeah, BTW, usually this army is disbanded after the siege is done, cuz no one is left except your general, 15 gold chevron archers, and 2 cavalry!

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    Default Re: Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    Ya siege defense armies are fun, as soon as they breach the gate, the flaming ballistae shot will surely rout them.
    Last edited by damn u obama; January 09, 2009 at 06:10 PM.

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    Default Re: Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    I like the ad-hoc component of siege defense, e.g. whatever units you can slap together at the time from surrounding armies/settlements. Keeps things interesting.

    I should have saved this replay of 400 Teutons against a Mongol full stack.

    Let's just say Mangonels (most artillery for that matter) are pure evil in a siege defense.

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    A full stack of Camel Gunners dosen't fail and this against any thing even the Timurids elephants
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    Lol lemme guess, you blew up Mongols eh?
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    Default Re: Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    I always specialize for the enemy I'm fighting. More artillery if facing infantry-heavy European armies, more archers and cavalry versus Eastern factions. The Holy Roman Empire is awfully versatile.


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    Everyone loves HRE, almost as much as Frence.
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    Default Re: Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    Once I have a rather large empire I like to aquire the best mercenaries from across the world and combine them with some of my best units and make an army to rule them all.

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    Default Re: Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    when i defend a castle/city with wooden wall or + i have some cavalry militia, 2 or three units that can schtiltrom (ie seargents or spear militia), hold them at the gates and let the boiling oil kill innumerate amount of soldiers, then chase the routers with the cavalry, i managed to defend 4 to 10 cities, with full stacked armys like this, any generals get awesome command points, i also managed to kill 4/5ths of milans family/generals


    my cavalry armys never get touched by the infantry (better movement)






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    Default Re: Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer Sam View Post
    hold them at the gates and let the boiling oil kill innumerate amount of soldiers, then chase the routers with the cavalry
    How can u get boiling oil?

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    Default Re: Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    Whenever I make any kind of major push, offensive or defensive, I like to use purpose-built armies as much as possible. Find out what you'll be fighting and then build your forces to counter it. I've noticed that when fighting Eastern factions (Byzantines, Turks, etc) I use bow-spear or pike-shot armies with some mercenary light cavalry, and when I'm fighting Western factions (France, Spain, etc) I use a lot more shock cavalry and swordsmen.

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    Default Re: Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    To be honest I don't really form specialized armies. I just make up an army of melee, ranged and cav and sometimes some siege weapons. Sometimes I will create some cavalry or siege only armies though to reinforce an already assaulting army.

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    Default Re: Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    I always specialize. I have field armies, siege armies, speed armies, and garrison armies. Since I almost always play methodically I use a lot of set-pattern armies.

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    Default Re: Do you make specialized armies just for the fun of it?

    From Kingdoms Expansion, also there are mods that allow for boiling oil in the grand campaign.

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