Which faction bloodlines have what bonuses?

**tallstark** · January 08, 2009, 01:44 PM

Hi all, I am playing as Sicily and for some reason I am not getting a lot of sons but I am getting amazing princesses, so I have already married two Venetian family members and have a bunch of +3 trade grand kids, nice! What other factions get additional bonuses to their bloodline and which ones do you think are best?

**strife1013** · January 08, 2009, 02:23 PM

Look in the descr_traits file just look under bloodline, Im at work so I can't look at it now but from memory Russian bloodline adds +5 to movement, England (and I think France plus one to Chiv.) of course venetian +3 to trade, Poland minus (yes minus) one to beauty, Eastern Roman Empire - 1 to loyaly and + 1 to command figthing against some factions (not sure which ones though), Germany +1 to law....thats all I can remember off hand. I like to marry to Eastern Roman Empire, although that +3 to trade can come in handy...

**lordextra0** · January 09, 2009, 07:11 PM

do you know wether this would brake savegames?

**LionQ** · January 08, 2009, 04:42 PM

In addition, Of Hungarian Blood is +2 movement.

**magraev** · January 09, 2009, 02:15 AM

There are some (HRE and byzantines spring to mind) where princesses give -1 to loyalty. The traits coming from the father are positive (for HRE I believe +1 loyalty and +1 law). Turkey and Denmark give a +1 loyalty and +1 dread.

**Stephan de St. Omer** · January 09, 2009, 05:55 AM

I think they are all listed in Hongas Database under the specific faction traits. You will find it here:

http://totalwar.honga.net/faction.ph...late&encode=en

**Sargon_of_Akkad** · January 09, 2009, 07:53 AM

Sorry, Poland -1 attractiveness? I've yet to meet a Polish girl who isn't incredibly good looking!

**strife1013** · January 09, 2009, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Sargon_of_Akkad

Sorry, Poland -1 attractiveness? I've yet to meet a Polish girl who isn't incredibly good looking!

Yah thats stupid, Im gonna remove that....

**rfa** · January 10, 2009, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Sargon_of_Akkad

Sorry, Poland -1 attractiveness? I've yet to meet a Polish girl who isn't incredibly good looking!

hehe, I always wondered about that. Think I'll change that to. For the life of me I can't think of a reason why someone would come up with " minus 1 charm".

**Furiøùs** · January 10, 2009, 12:45 PM

I have met more than i need to count of ugly polish woman. i live in a polish dominant area, and i HATE it.

So back OT.. What does Aragon get?

**TheLastPrivate** · January 10, 2009, 01:12 PM

Just to be fair, the -1 charm attribute in Polish bloodline is NOT exactly relevant to feminine beauty.

"Charm" is a comprehensive trait that not only deals with a princess's attractiveness but also bloodline, fertility, character, influence. etc...

The reason why Polish princesses get -1 charm is due to the fractured and weakened state of Piast Kingdom of the time period, and NOT due to their general unattractiveness (false imo).

**rfa** · January 10, 2009, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by TheLastPrivate

Just to be fair, the -1 charm attribute in Polish bloodline is NOT exactly relevant to feminine beauty.

"Charm" is a comprehensive trait that not only deals with a princess's attractiveness but also bloodline, fertility, character, influence. etc...

The reason why Polish princesses get -1 charm is due to the fractured and weakened state of Piast Kingdom of the time period, and NOT due to their general unattractiveness (false imo).

Ahh yes, I do see your point.

**caralampio** · January 11, 2009, 08:58 AM

Here's the whole picture:

English: Prince- Loyalty +1, Chivalry +1
Princess- Charm +1

French: Prince- Loyalty +1, Chivalry +1
Princess- Charm +1

HRE: Prince- Loyalty +1, Law +1
Princess- Charm +1

Spanish: Prince- Loyalty +1, Piety +1
Princess- Piety +1 (this does have an effect, against inquisitors)

Sicilian: Prince- Loyalty +1, Law +1
Princess- Charm +1

Venetian: Prince- Loyalty +1, Trade +3
Princess- Charm +1

Genoese: Prince- Loyalty +1, Trade +1
Princess- Charm +1

Scottish: Prince- Loyalty +1, Troop Morale +1
Princess- Charm +1

Byzantine: Prince- Loyalty +1, Law +1
Princess- Charm +1

Novgorodian: Prince- Loyalty +1, Movement +25%
Princess- Movement + 25%

Moorish: Prince- Loyalty +1, Law +1

Seljuk: Prince- Loyalty +1, Dread +1

Fatimid: Prince- Loyalty +1, Piety +1

Danish: Prince- Loyalty +1, Dread +1
Princess- None!

Portuguese: Prince- Loyalty +1, Piety +1
Princess- Charm +1

Polish: Prince- Loyalty +1, Movement +10%
Princess- Charm -1, Personal Security +1

Hungarian: Prince- Loyalty +1, Movement +10%
Princess- Piety +1

Aragonese*: Prince- Loyalty +1
Princess- Charm +1

Lithuanian*: Prince- Loyalty +1
Princess- Charm +1

Irish*: Prince- Loyalty +1
Princess- Charm +1

Norwegian*: Prince- Loyalty +1
Princess- Charm +1

Kievan*: Prince- Loyalty +1
Princess- Charm +1

Cumans: Prince- Loyalty +1, Movement +5%

Khwarezmian*: Prince- Loyalty +1

Note: Most of the new SS factions have no special attributes for their princes except loyalty +1. I tried to fix some of these for my Royal Women mod (+1 dread for Norway for example) but when I did so I got a crash. If someone knows why this happens tell me, because it is unfair for these princes to have nothing special!

Here is the explanation for the Polish -1 charm:
"This woman is a descendant of Wladyslaw Herman, one of the weakest Polish Dukes in history. With such a shameful ancestor, how can she be expected to win over the hearts and minds of her neighbors?"

Also, take a look at the Danish princess. Maybe viking girls are too rough?