Stupidity or what!

[jehanzeb]

Morning all,

So I started playing with Julii again (RTW 1.5 org no mods). I took about 8 hours to conquer 43 cities however the problem started with Senate as I ignored most of their orders (missions assigned by them) while I was on my quest to rule Rome. As a result, my reputation amongst senate gone from top to bottom however the reputation amongst people was very high.

By the time I reached near Armenia, I kept getting messages that the Senate is not happy with me and I might be at the brink of civil war.

When I saw that message I ganged up my army next to Rome and attacked them. took Rome - took trouble!!...As soon as I overtook Rome, Brutii and Scippi attacked. slowly, I went from 43 to just 13. Though Rome city was still under my control. I tried to arrange ceasefire with Brutii and Scipi however that didn't work.

I stopped the game! in frustration.

My question is, if I failed to gain Senate happiness earlier, how could I have gained it later? I mean Brutii was full Stars, Scippi was in middle and I was right at the bottom with 3 stars however people wise I was right on top and Brutti in the middle and Scippi at the bottom.

I blamed myself when I attacked on Rome. Should have taken over other settlements and game over!

Regards

Jehanzeb

[Selifator]

The game is only over when you take Rome as well, but if you had 50 settlements and then took Rome, then indeed instant game-over. Though it is more fun to fight the other Romans.

[jehanzeb]

no no I didn't even reach to 50 it was 43 settlements however the question was how to get the Senate happiness back. To be honest I was trying to save my butt however in the quest I got kicked hard

Anyhow, I will start again. I think it was my stupidity to conquer Rome at the wrong time hence the subject title.

Regards

[ben331]

Is there nothing you can do to make the senate like you after they have said that they are unhappy with you? When you have quite a fair empire that is...is it impossible for them to like you?

[SonOfAlexander]

You could have tried diligently doing all their missions but at that stage it really is too late - you have to decide earlier. The best thing is to do the first few easy ones and then when the going gets tough either try and do them (about 80% of them should keep the senate happy) or just ignore them completely. It really has little to do with your population/popularity - this is more connected with battlefield humiliations.

[Scutarii]

Once you have a good sized empire, its inevitable for the popularity rating to go up and for the Senate to hate you.

[Lord Dakier]

Should have destroyed Rome at the start!

But seriously ally yourself with the other Romans enemies before attacking fairly early.

[Manoflooks]

How on earth did you lose 30 cities? Are you on VH difficulty? Why didnt you just spam units?

[aznflea]

the question is not what happened but how it happened. how did you lose to ai romans? if you had 43 you should be able to spam urbans or legionnaires in every city you have.

the game makers made this happen on purpose. it simulates julius caesar. as he grew in power and popularity with the people the senate began to fear his power and started having suspicions. lucius cornelius sulla showed rome how terrible a dictator could be and rome was in no hurry to have another dictator.

[jehanzeb]

To tell you the truth I had armies which were made up of Hastasi and horses, I managed to kick, Gaul, Spain, England, Germany, Dacia, Syctia all of them went down with those two units I had. however I made a mistake by not building up heavy infantry, heavy cavalary which could have helped me at later stage. Additionally I had town watchers in every other city and nothing else.

It was like Hollow from inside but hard shell outside. So the borders were protected however enemies were far stronger than I was, once few bordering cities fell, you could see the game is over. Brutti from the Armenia, Greek cities side, Scippi from the Spain side. It all went down the drain 8 hours of game play.

That is the reason I said "Stupidity or what" because I did the most stupid thing when I was so close to victory.

Regards

Jehanzeb

[Lord Dakier]

I have held of 3 cities from several stacks of Pontus, Sels, Pathia and Sarmaetian... you was stuck with 10 cities left which as long as you called back your far away troops you would have been fine.

[mikoli]

UPLOAD YOUR SAVE,WE COULD GIVE YOU THE RIGHT ANSWER!

[jehanzeb]

mikoli I would have uploaded the screen shot however I didn't save my pathetic lost game. I was more of throwing my laptop away at the time let alone taking shots of it.

However I would post it next time I come to brink of loosing a whole game.

Regards

[Lord Dakier]

Hahahehe... You could have defended your final cities... not impossible.

[Sextus Molestus]

Yeah, but he'd have to recapture 30+ cities...by that point, if I were in his position, I'd just quit and go to a different faction. Maybe save the save, though, so I could go back to it at a later date.

[Lord Dakier]

Those who quit deserve such defeats.

[Selifator]

Uhm, everyone to his own? How do you know that he even had enough time left to capture those cities within the time limit?

[Entropy Judge]

Uhm, everyone to his own?

While I agree, in principle, that save/reloading isn't something that should be done often, I've had to do it often enough (primarily due to my clicking the mouse just prior to the start of next turn, and the game interpreting it as "End Turn" so I lose a turn and have to reload the auto-save) that my only issues would be with people who intentionally make it a strategy - such as an auto-resolve-only campaign in which every battle is saved and reloaded until a favorable outcome is achieved. Reloading because you just moved that army into the city to retrain and now the Germans have 5 full stacks in northern Italy is what I would consider a valid reason.

[ben331]

Yeah upload the save it will be fun to see if we can hold out with what you've got. I'd love to give it a try.

[jehanzeb]

It is nice to hear variety of answers from everyone. I am thankful to everyone.
Lord Dakier I am a person who would fight till the last breadth however a great general is who can see his defeat and admit it. If I wanted I would have tried to get the cities back however I could see no point in doing so as I was kept loosing cities. I knew I would end up with 2 or 4 at most cities (Rome and other cities I had which had heavy infantry and cavalary).

I am playing as Egyptian now and I'll post my Screenshot tonight as I would like to know what to do next. I am in a situation where Romans very recently attacked me. I have had a long Alliance with them however Brutti broke it. I have blocked Brutti almost all the ports however Scippi from the desert is bringing 5 full stacks towards my settlement in Africa.

Will make more sense once I upload the sc here.

Many thanks once again guys.

Regards

Jehanzeb