America should cease all Military, Economic and Political co-operation with Israel.

[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

There are no threat to Israel's existence, Jordan and Egypt as they are will never lend a hand against the Jewish state, Syria will continue with merely token symbols and words of solidarity with the Palestinians. And even if these states wanted to wage war on Israel, could they do so with any hope of success ? The only state with the means and will to even have a mild chance of success is Iran, and they are Isolated and un-able to strike.

Point is, with the threat of an invasion coming from another state or an alliance of states nullified, the only threat Israel has to face is Hamas in Gaza, a potential uprising in the West Bank (Which is getting more and more un-likely) and Hezbollah to the north. Israel is more then capable of dealing with it By themselves.

So without any Bias towards Muslim or Jew, Palestinian or Israeli, looking from the fact's do you really think that the U.S. Should offer any aid to Israel ?

[André Masséna]

yes

[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

yes

Reason for which would be ?

[André Masséna]

The anti-Israeli attitude held by a majority of their neighbors is shockingly high still, we are their allies and they ours...therefor it follows we should still offer them aid.

[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

The anti-Israeli attitude held by a majority of their neighbors is shockingly high still, we are their allies and they ours...therefor it follows we should still offer them aid.

The Anti-Gay mood in the south is Rampant, we don't provide anything special for Gay right's groups to work in the South.

Edit: If you are shocked as to why Arab's don't like Israel, you don't have eye's worth seeing through.

[nce_wht_guy]

No

[André Masséna]

There is a country of Gays in the South?

[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

There is a country of Gays in the South?

We are all proud of you for figuring that out by your self.

Point is, your going to help someone because people don't like you ? Doe's that mean we should give the U.K. a dollar for every Sinn Fein vote ?

[André Masséna]

We are all proud of you for figuring that out by your self.

Point is, your going to help someone because people don't like you ? Doe's that mean we should give the U.K. a dollar for every Sinn Fein vote ?

Sinn Fein or the Irish for that matter aren't chanting Death to Britain, and don't have a history of attempted Invasions of Great Britain either. Plus, the entire Gay example was silly, NGO's and our Allies are two seperate groups entirely.

Edit: If you are shocked as to why Arab's don't like Israel, you don't have eye's worth seeing through.

Myopia is nothing to jest about.

[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

Sinn Fein or the Irish for that matter aren't chanting Death to Britain,

Many on the Israeli Right and Far right are and have been calling for Un-disputed control of Geographic Palestine, We have never called Irgun a terrorist group.

and don't have a history of attempted Invasions of Great Britain either.

They have a history of terrorist attack's Inside the U.K.

Plus, the entire Gay example was silly, NGO's and our Allies are two seperate groups entirely.

It's also silly to give as a reason for handing out billion's of dollars, it's cause people don't like them.

Myopia is nothing to jest about.

Not joking.

No, removing all aid destroys our ability to put pressure on Israel. As it stands its only a minor percent of their GDP.

There are always Sanction's.

However, we should threaten to reduce aid if they don't lift the blockade, and follow through and shift their aid to Palestine if they don't.

Of course.

[André Masséna]

Many on the Israeli Right and Far right are and have been calling for Un-disputed control of Geographic Palestine, We have never called Irgun a terrorist group.

What makes one a terrorist group? Is it your goal, or the means you use to reach said goal?

Take your time.

They have a history of terrorist attack's Inside the U.K.

Which somehow equates to the Invasions Israel has hosted?

It's also silly to give as a reason for handing out billion's of dollars, it's cause people don't like them.

Yeah, that or they actually like us and are one of the best functioning countries in the middle east...could be that. But yeah, again NGO's equatable to States....

Not joking.

Don't care.

[justicar5]

We are all proud of you for figuring that out by your self.

Point is, your going to help someone because people don't like you ? Doe's that mean we should give the U.K. a dollar for every Sinn Fein vote ?

Speaking of which when are the NorAid activists getting prosecuted for supporting terrorism in the UK? Oh thats right never, gee thanks america.

[C-Rob]

Turnign your back on an ally- that looks REALLY good internationally. Iran will be happy, so will hamas, and hezbollah, but what else will it cause? It will damage Isreal. It will prop up and embolden her enemies. I just can't see anything coming out of this other than, as I've already said, giving a victory to the people who don't like the country.

[Dance the older]

There are no threat to Israel's existence, Jordan and Egypt as they are will never lend a hand against the Jewish state, Syria will continue with merely token symbols and words of solidarity with the Palestinians. And even if these states wanted to wage war on Israel, could they do so with any hope of success ? The only state with the means and will to even have a mild chance of success is Iran, and they are Isolated and un-able to strike.

Point is, with the threat of an invasion coming from another state or an alliance of states nullified, the only threat Israel has to face is Hamas in Gaza, a potential uprising in the West Bank (Which is getting more and more un-likely) and Hezbollah to the north. Israel is more then capable of dealing with it By themselves.

So without any Bias towards Muslim or Jew, Palestinian or Israeli, looking from the fact's do you really think that the U.S. Should offer any aid to Israel ?

No. Just as other states support Hamas or care not for their actions, Israel is in need of this support to combat terrorism, which is what they are doing.

[Farnan]

No, removing all aid destroys our ability to put pressure on Israel. As it stands its only a minor percent of their GDP.

However, we should threaten to reduce aid if they don't lift the blockade, and follow through and shift their aid to Palestine if they don't.

[Georgy Zhukov]

Without the stabilizing and controlling influence of the United States Israel will have no controlling factors the UN cant do anything. 2.4 billion dollars is a lot of money for Israel but not crippling. But without US support Israel left without support, Israel would probably launch huge wars in Gaza and Lebanon and potentially install a puppet Palestinian government. Or at least that what I would do If I was Israel in HOI2 (assuming it was there and was in the position)

[Mr. Scott]

Without the stabilizing and controlling influence of the United States Israel will have no controlling factors the UN cant do anything. 2.4 billion dollars is a lot of money for Israel but not crippling. But without US support Israel left without support, Israel would probably launch huge wars in Gaza and Lebanon and potentially install a puppet Palestinian government. Or at least that what I would do If I was Israel in HOI2 (assuming it was there and was in the position)

I'm sorry but Israel heavily relies on the US. They are very powerful, but largely due to America. During the war against the big 5 Israel received a huge arsenal by the US. Our weaponry saved them then. It will save them if there is another war. Trust me Israel relies on us. If it weren't for us, what would stop Iran, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Hamas, etc. from attacking them? The muslim world hates the Jews because they are a non-muslim nation right in the heart of the muslim world. there has always been tension between the two.

[GeneralLee]

I'm sorry but Israel heavily relies on the US. They are very powerful, but largely due to America. During the war against the big 5 Israel received a huge arsenal by the US. Our weaponry saved them then. It will save them if there is another war. Trust me Israel relies on us. If it weren't for us, what would stop Iran, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Hamas, etc. from attacking them? The muslim world hates the Jews because they are a non-muslim nation right in the heart of the muslim world. there has always been tension between the two.

Considering the size of the Israeli arms industry I beg to differ. Not to to mention that and the majority of their weapon systems, every thing from tanks to rifles, are locally developed and manufactured. Their munitions are all NATO for the most part so the US is probably their biggest supplier but these days they can get much of that from China if relations fell through.

[AngryTitusPullo]

The muslim world hates the Jews because they are a non-muslim nation right in the heart of the muslim world. there has always been tension between the two.

Singapore is surrounded by muslim countries on all side (Malaysia, Indonesia & Brunei). There has never been tension (militarily) between these nations.

[André Masséna]

Talking down to someone is a cheap veil for trying to look witty.

Don't make it so easy next time then.

See above.

See above.

When was the last one ? 1973 ? Nearly 36 years ago ? Do you ever see any chance of the Mubarak Regime or the Jordans ever attacking Israel in the near future.

Anything can happen, especially in today's fast paced world.

Good job repeating yourself but I can't see the giving billions of dollars to tax-payer money at a time when America is crumbling financially, has a budget completely un-balanced and is ridiculously in debt, to a country that simply doesn't need the money.

I can't see the point in electing a President who wants to create more Government programs in a time when America is crumbling financially, one who is pro-Isralie too. Doesn't make much sense to me.

Again, see above.

Don't care. Still.