For EB Team: Thermopylae Map

[DAVIDE]

hello guys! if u are interested, i just have released a beta, of my brandnew map Thermopylae (medII)....

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=213007&page=2

if u are interested once released the map 1.0 , send me a pm and then i give u permission to use it... then u can replace turks and byzantines and put your spartans and persians....

[Imperator of Rome]

hello guys! if u are interested, i just have released a beta, of my brandnew map Thermopylae (medII)....

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=213007&page=2

if u are interested once released the map 1.0 , send me a pm and then i give u permission to use it... then u can replace turks and byzantines and put your spartans and persians....

Why would they want a Thermopylae map for a mod that starts ca 272B.C?

[DAVIDE]

Why would they want a Thermopylae map for a mod that starts ca 272B.C?

Rome defeated greeks and their allies at Thermopylae in 196 Bc

[lenin96]

Could it be used in the Campaign Map?

[QUINTUS FABIUS MAXIM]

Rome defeated greeks and their allies at Thermopylae in 196 Bc

there were many battles that occoured at Thermopylae.. if i'm not wrong also Scipio Africanus defeated Antiochus III and Sulla fought against Mythridates there..

[Antigenes]

there were many battles that occoured at Thermopylae.. if i'm not wrong also Scipio Africanus defeated Antiochus III and Sulla fought against Mythridates there..

The Antiochus battle was the one mentioned, though it actually took place in 191 BC(E). Right before EB takes place, during the great Celtic invasion of Greece, the united Greeks made a stand at Thermopylae and were defeated (but later got their own back, taking advantage of the unsuitability of Gallic fighters to the missile-based warfare of the Aetolians). Yeah, there were plenty of engagements at Thermopylae. Pydna and Chaeronea also have recurring battles in classical history.

[delra]

It would be a lot of fun if you could set this map to be used if a battle takes place in the Thermopylae area. I'd bait enemy armies into fighting me at that spot all the time.

Is this possible?

[ray243]

So that the Spartans re-enactors can choose to re-enact their ancestors several hundred years ago?

We all know that all Greek players must camp 300 troops with support at Thermopylae.

[John-117]

to be exact, 300 spartans, 700 thespians, and 400 thebans, if youre doing the final day. but you would have to choose a way to make it, with either the first day, where mostly hordes of light infantry attacked, which would probably be easier,the second day, with immortals, cavalry, and heavy infantry fought, which would be medium, or the final day, where everyone encircled the spartans and their allies, which would be nearly unbeatable unless you have a ready made plan.also, you would need some sort of gates as there were in the actual canyon, plus some way for the greeks to shield against the countless persian arrows. i think shields in more or less a testudo-like formation would work good, and then the archers would fire until they started hitting thier own guys, and fire again once 50%, 25%, and 10% of their men were left. after 10%, they would continually fire. i think thermoylae would be difficult to recreate though. try making like plaetea(a year after thermopylae, pwnd those persian pricks)

[eddy_purpus]

this map would add some flavor because for me its considered an ancient place were great warriors fought in an historical place and epic battle =)

[John-117]

i think its really cool. great idea too. well done 5/5

[Phalanx300]

I agree, and it still remained a important chokepoint.

[John-117]

do you know if this map is compatible with kingdoms and retrofit mod? i currently have m2tw and kingdoms installed,with the retrofit mod and stone fort addon.

for those who dont know,

retrofit mod really just brings most of the kingdoms units into original. it also activates some units that were never used in the original, such as seargeant swordsman for england and most other west europe countries, and includes the venetian archer fix. includes many really good units that i wouldve liked to havein vanilla(like the seargeant swordsman, because it is like a fuedal knight, but is less expensive and easier to recruit) but stone forts addon is what it sounds like.

[Lebre]

[oudysseos]

Don't get me wrong- looks like excellent work.

[DAVIDE]

cool

Don't get me wrong- looks like excellent work.

no problem.. i can edit the map whenever i want

[Phalanx300]

I supported this idea when I haven't seen the map yet. I've seen it now and I must say, it looks awesome! Though I don't know if its fully Historical, but it certainly looks great!

[Ares1000]

to be exact, 300 spartans, 700 thespians, and 400 thebans, if youre doing the final day. but you would have to choose a way to make it, with either the first day, where mostly hordes of light infantry attacked, which would probably be easier,the second day, with immortals, cavalry, and heavy infantry fought, which would be medium, or the final day, where everyone encircled the spartans and their allies, which would be nearly unbeatable unless you have a ready made plan.also, you would need some sort of gates as there were in the actual canyon, plus some way for the greeks to shield against the countless persian arrows. i think shields in more or less a testudo-like formation would work good, and then the archers would fire until they started hitting thier own guys, and fire again once 50%, 25%, and 10% of their men were left. after 10%, they would continually fire. i think thermoylae would be difficult to recreate though. try making like plaetea(a year after thermopylae, pwnd those persian pricks)

About archer fire into hoplites: what if you make arrow fire into the front of hoplites almost inaffectiv, it would be realistic, if you fire arrows into a company of hoplites who are standing in a phalanx formation, the only way you can kill any of them is by hitting them in the eye, the shield, greaves and helmet covers the rest of the body, and i do bet they lowered their head for incoming arrows. a other thing would be if you hit the guard mode, then that would be like their going down on their knees and covering behind their shields if they are being hit by arrows.

Anyway a hoplite phalanx standing still shouldnt take much damage at all from archer fire, if they are on the move then they are a bit more vulnrable.

So my sugestion is to make arrow fire inafectiv when shoting at a phalanx that is standing still, while hitting them in the side or rear should be much more deadly.

[lenin96]

So my sugestion is to make arrow fire inafectiv when shoting at a phalanx that is standing still, while hitting them in the side or rear should be much more deadly.

Archers mostly don't shoot stright towards the enemy but in the air so it lands on their heads amd thats what happens with in EB and hoplites would be damaged if an arrow landed on thair head.

[trent]

well i like the idea