A request of Bactria

[The Guy With No Imagination]

Hello right now i fell like a traitor asking the great cat/modder AQD i am not asking but rather beging that you make a more historic bactria,or at least create a Hetairoi unit for them because the did have them also please add a few new unit because their rooster is T I N Y !!!! That pontic companion was wonderful! thats when i got the idea if he can do such great things with other factions that are in need of new unit and more historical accuracy why not help the needy-est or one of the needy-est factions the bactrians! Also the possibility of creating new , fresh units for bactria is great!!!

[Quinn Inuit]

For the record, RTR has a Bactrian hetairoi unit, and I think Spirit of Rob made one, too. Not that aqd couldn't make a really nice one, but if those work then he might not need to bother.

What other units do you think Bactria should have?

[AqD]

What other units do you think Bactria should have?

Yes according to EB, again the only source I really have

Faction's:
- Hetairoi: heavier, with armoured horse
- Kataphraktoi: lighter - especially the horse
- Horse Archers: wearing trousers and scale armour
- Foot Archers: the original one is fine
- Peltastai: the original is great, no change needed
- Agema Phalanx: different look
- Pezhetairoi: wearing trousers and scale armour
- Hoplitai: different look
- (New) Royal Guard: heavy hoplites
- (New) Thureophoroi: heavy/medium infantry

AOR:
- (New) Indo-Greek Hoplitai
- (New) Indo-Greek Medium Cavalry
- (New) Indo-Greek Thureophoroi
- (New) Saka Cataphracts
- (New) Saka Noble Cavalry
- (New) Saka Horse Archers


The faction's part may be made if I have time, in version 2.5. I'm not sure about the AOR part because bactria in RTR is not in the war zone and those units would serve no practical purpose to players (no saka and indians to fight )

@The Guy With No Imagination: Currently there are hoplites from removed Illyrian faction and armoured horse archers using old skin. It's not changed since version 1.0 and wasn't on the priority list because of the reasons I wrote above....

[The Guy With No Imagination]

Yes according to EB, again the only source I really have

Faction's:
- Hetairoi: heavier, with armoured horse
- Kataphraktoi: lighter - especially the horse
- Horse Archers: wearing trousers and scale armour
- Foot Archers: the original one is fine
- Peltastai: the original is great, no change needed
- Agema Phalanx: different look
- Pezhetairoi: wearing trousers and scale armour
- Hoplitai: different look
- (New) Royal Guard: heavy hoplites
- (New) Thureophoroi: heavy/medium infantry

AOR:
- (New) Indo-Greek Hoplitai
- (New) Indo-Greek Medium Cavalry
- (New) Indo-Greek Thureophoroi
- (New) Saka Cataphracts
- (New) Saka Noble Cavalry
- (New) Saka Horse Archers


The faction's part may be made if I have time, in version 2.5. I'm not sure about the AOR part because bactria in RTR is not in the war zone and those units would serve no practical purpose to players (no saka and indians to fight )

@The Guy With No Imagination: Currently there are hoplites from removed Illyrian faction and armoured horse archers using old skin. It's not changed since version 1.0 and wasn't on the priority list because of the reasons I wrote above....

Can u at least make the Peltastai makedonikoi?

[AqD]

Can u at least make the Peltastai makedonikoi?

Yes - but what's their recruitment region? I checked EB's recruitment viewer and it's not on the list... :hmmm:

[Sir Walter]

The faction's part may be made if I have time, in version 2.5. I'm not sure about the AOR part because bactria in RTR is not in the war zone and those units would serve no practical purpose to players (no saka and indians to fight )

Why not have AI-only Saka in the next mod, and playable Indians? AI-only Saka because RTW can't run nomadic culture as they don't have towns

I'd really like to play as the Mauryans myself, lots of chariots, archers and elephants And to make space just delete Numidia, what's the point in a faction that dies in turn one?

Also, it'd make the new Seleucids more challenged as they'd have to fight the Indians too, and it'd bring more factions into the war-zone.

[The Guy With No Imagination]

BACTRIA


Well first of all the rooster in RTR the have a small rooster I was thinking along the lines of a horse archer unit and a few other cavalry and infantry a good one would be a prodomoi, as far as i am aware that has yet to come for bactria. Also another unit would be thorakitai and thureophoroi that they had. Also like EB they could have another phalanx sort of unit because the ones that are availeble are the elites and then the pezoi so I was thinking of pezhetairoi. with a new skin or pieces of the previeous skins to make the FRANKENPHALANX made of various parts of skins. Another good Idea is an indo-greek hoplite like EB had. Those are a few ideas. Also the great AQD is tempting me to download it in to my own personal computer rather than just have i in a much older one. also pleasse link me to the Spirit of Rob hetaioi unit for bactria

[fourganger]

BACTRIA


Well first of all the rooster in RTR the have a small rooster I was thinking along the lines of a horse archer unit

Bactria's starting territory has Horse Archers available as mercenaries- they can be trained in several of the cities. They do not appear on the roster, but are within the campaign.

[AqD]

Bactria's starting territory has Horse Archers available as mercenaries- they can be trained in several of the cities. They do not appear on the roster, but are within the campaign.

They're trainable in my mod, like all other mercenaries.

aqd was the illyrian faction used for another faction? If not you could make it the indians or sakae, making the Bactrians have a challenge. If the are already in use you cold make the rebels in india and sakae land very very hard so that it would be a really big challenge and i think we can agree that challenges are fun

Yes I did but unless you're insane you'd just fight westwards...

[The Guy With No Imagination]

aqd was the illyrian faction used for another faction? If not you could make it the indians or sakae, making the Bactrians have a challenge. If the are already in use you cold make the rebels in india and sakae land very very hard so that it would be a really big challenge and i think we can agree that challenges are fun

[Emperor Domitianus]

Personally sacrifing a faction for india or something similar would be a terribe loss mostly because they never met the romans.

[Quinn Inuit]

I know the EB people did a lot of research, but I'm not comfortable adding a unit just 'cause they've got it. I think they're a little more...liberal...in their reading of the sources than I am.

For instance, why do you think Bactrians were using anything but Macedonian-style phalangites by this time period? I'm not trying to be combative, I'm just wondering what the evidence is besides the fact that EB shows them doing so.

[AqD]

I know the EB people did a lot of research, but I'm not comfortable adding a unit just 'cause they've got it. I think they're a little more...liberal...in their reading of the sources than I am.

For instance, why do you think Bactrians were using anything but Macedonian-style phalangites by this time period? I'm not trying to be combative, I'm just wondering what the evidence is besides the fact that EB shows them doing so.

Because some of them are Alexander's veterans settled? The phalangites all disappeared in later times through.

[Emperor Domitianus]

The Bactrians were Macedon based troops.

[Quinn Inuit]

Alexander's vets would've been pretty old by this point, and weren't they probably all drilled to fight in the Mac style, anyway?

I'm curious, when did the phalangites disappear, and how were they replaced?

[The Guy With No Imagination]

Alexander's vets would've been pretty old by this point, and weren't they probably all drilled to fight in the Mac style, anyway?

I'm curious, when did the phalangites disappear, and how were they replaced?

There descendants continued to train the same way they did, and plus hellenes from Makedon and greece would have migrated there and fought like the peltastai makedonikoi

[AqD]

Alexander's vets would've been pretty old by this point, and weren't they probably all drilled to fight in the Mac style, anyway?

I'm curious, when did the phalangites disappear, and how were they replaced?

From the late Indo-Saka kingdom, there should be hoplites, thureophoroi/legionary-like soldiers. But I have no source on bactira (damn osprey doesn't make teh book )

[fourganger]

Alexander's vets would've been pretty old by this point, and weren't they probably all drilled to fight in the Mac style, anyway?

I'm curious, when did the phalangites disappear, and how were they replaced?

Could an army still based around the phalanx have held out for so long against the various horse mounter nomads who threatened them?

Perhaps, but it seems unlikely. Although, perhaps their eventual demise was because they didn't adapt.

IIRC, most of the evidence we have on Graeco-Bactrians and Indo-Greeks comes from coins, which relay only limited information. There are also Armenian sources, but they are often amongst the least reliable sources, sometimes akin to mythology.

I'm not sure if there are adequate sources for a re-construction of Bactrian armies. Conjecture is all we have.

Apology if this is slightly incoherent, I'm quite tired.

[torzsoktamas]

Is epirus in the game?Sorry for asking here.

[The Guy With No Imagination]

In the game EB the the city that has Peltastai Makedonikoi Is Baktra, in this case Alexandria Herat. I have thae game and when i develop the city I can recruit those units.